Strip Clubs in Albuquerque

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Strip Clubs in Albuquerque
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A couple of weeks ago the city council proposed a restrictive ordinance regulating Strip clubs. I have been meaning to post a summary of strip clubs in Albuquerque for a while, and I guess i better do it before they change it all. The new ordinance would ban VIP rooms at the strip clubs, prohibit touching from the customer or the employee, and would require club licensing. Lawyers for the clubs and the ACLU are fighting this ordinance.

As it stands now, Albuquerque is a good city for clubs, but not a great one. You can get high mileage dances from the right dancer in most clubs, but extras are rare, if they exist at all. Fortunately, prices are modest, so it doesn't cost a lot to have a good time. For many years, dancers were required to cover their nipples, which for most meant using some sort of transparent latex. Those days are gone fortunately.

Albuquerque has both topless and nude clubs. The nude clubs do not serve alcohol, and in my experience are not worth it. There is no smoking in Albuquerque restaurants or bars, so the clubs here have clean air.

Here are my favorites:

1. TD's North - I think that this is the nicest club in Albuquerque. It is clean, the dancers are of high quality and there are a wide variety to chose from, everything from California silicone blondes to petite Asians. There is no cover during the day, at night it runs $8 I think. Prepare to be wander and have your ID scanned when you enter. A beer is $6, but if you buy it from the hostess it is only $5.75. Tipping is at the stage. Depending on how many customers and dancers there are, one or two stages are open. Floor dances are $10 and are usually pretty good. There are lots of nooks and crannies with benches along the wall for dances. If you don't get what you are expecting move on to another dancer. If the dances are good on the floor, it usually is much better in the VIP room, which costs $25 per dance. On peak hours it costs $20 to enter the VIP room, but at slow times and always during the day, there is no charge for the VIP room. I recommend Diana, May Lee, Iris-san, and Lee for dances. Dancers come over from Phoenix all the time to dance here and you can get great dances from Elena, and Lisa who are from Phoenix. Caterra gives a great dance, but will upset you, so watch out. Catalina gives a great dance on the floor, but it doesn't improve enough in the VIP room to be worth it. TD's is open for lunch and they have specials that are good value. If you are in Albuquerque and don't know where to go to enjoy yourself, go to TD's North.

2. TD"s Eubank is the sister club to TD's North and the policies are similar. I find it a more sterile experience though and all the seats on the floor are on casters, so it is not too conducive to dancing. I don't go here much, but there are lots of regulars who like it better than TD's North. If you don't like TD's North, try TD's Eubank.

3. Knockouts is located downtown, so if you are staying in one of the downtown hotels, it is worth your while to check it out. The club is a notch below the TD's clubs, but still worth visiting. There is no cover during the day. The dancers are a notch below what you will find at TD's as well, but there are always a few worth getting a dance from. Dances are a good bargain, $5 on the floor and $10 in the VIP room. There is a bubble room at $20 a dance, but I have never seen it used. Dances on the floor are good and usually get better in the VIP area. The VIP area is a bit well lit for my taste, but you can still have a good time with the right dancer there. Cashmere, Chloe, Meagan, and Bridgette all give good dances on the floor and great dances in the VIP area. Any of them are worth the trip to the VIP room. Knockouts is a step below the TD's clubs, but worth trying out if you are downtown.

The Nude Clubs are not worth going to in my opinion. Fantasy World, in the back of an adult book store, is pretty sterile and the so-so dancers pretty much just go through the motions. The bouncers patrol the VIP areas at least once a song. The Palm is new in town, but when I went there I was the only patron and there were only 3 girls dancing, none of which was great. They were offering 2 for 1 danes, which I got, but they were no better than what you can get at TD's. I will check the Palm again after they have been open for awhile, but I don't holdout much hope for it.

50 miles or so to the east is Club 203, at the 203 exit to I-40. It is pretty bare bones, appealing to truckers mostly. It is not worth the trouble though. Same with Cheeks in Santa Fe. Not worth the bother unless you happen to be in Santa Fe with nothing else to do.

Have fun while you can! Updates as to ordinance progress as they occur. Nothing yet. Lets hope that freedom of expression wins out.
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This comment is a little tardy. Just wanted you to know that I appreciate the effort. ABQ is just not of much interest to most of us but these kinds of articles provide good intel. Thanks.
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Thanks Shadow. I find these reviews about a whole city or area to be more helpful than trying to get the information from separate reviews and then deciding. I used your discussion of Atlanta clubs as a guide. Went there is October and found the information very useful.

If you get to ALbuquerque, send me a PM and I will buy you a drink.

Still no word on the ordinance. I hope it fades into oblivion.
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When I wrote my article on visiting a strip club for the first time, www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=46476, I included the short paragraph:

“The second thing you should realize is that there are exceptions to everything that goes on in a strip club and everything that someone says about what goes on in a strip club. You won’t necessarily get the same experience someone else got, or even the same experience the next time you go, or even from the same dancer. "

And I got the following comment back from Subraman:

“Definitely true. You could write an entire article about just the many facets of this. The fact that you could find a club that's almost always so-so, and just find the right girl, and it's amazing. The fact -- disputed by some, but nevertheless a fact -- that the girls don't all do the same things for everyone for the same price, and in fact might not even do the same thing for YOU for the same price next time you go.”

So after some thought, I decided to write this article about that very subject.

Regulars
In most clubs regulars get better treatment than the guy who only comes in once in awhile or the first time visitor. This should come as no surprise, but it does to some. Dancers know what to expect from a regular and feel comfortable with him. They know he will spend money and what he expects from them. They don’t have to explain rules or boundaries. They know that they he will be back and that they should treat him well or he won’t bother with them the next time. So, become a regular at a club, even if it is only once a month or once every two months. Try to go in at the same time, or when the same dancers are working. But, even regulars don’t get the same treatment every time they go in and some of the reasons are below.

Money and Tipping
There are lots of things that go into the kind of experience you get in a strip club, including some I don’t know about. I think how you spend your money is one big factor. Dancers like tippers, so I tip. First off, I tip all the dancers when they dance on stage. It is a cheap way to get empathy from the dancers. It acknowledges that you realize that the dancers get at least a portion of their income from dancing on stage and that you want to contribute to their income, even if you don’t want a table or private dance from them Also, it makes the dancers that don’t get tipped a lot appreciate you tipping them and in the same manner, appreciate you. And thirdly, it says to the other dancers I am not just into a pretty face or fancy dance moves. I think many, but not all, dancers appreciate the guy who appreciates other dancers by tipping them and hence, all of the other dancers will treat you better. In some clubs, a tip is expected for extras and I do tip on that. But I don’t for just a great dance. If you have tipped before, dancers will remember and be more generous. But they will expect it again. I am not talking exorbitant tips here, or making it rain.

I also think that tipping the wait staff is important. It builds rapport and also helps them to look the other way if you are doing something with a dancer that is strictly against club rules. The waitress is more likely to ignore what you are doing if you have tipped her. Again, I am not talking exorbitant tips to waitresses here, 15% to 25% is fine. Fifty cents on a six dollar beer is not.

I don’t tip bouncers.

If you spend money on dancers when you visit the club, you will get remembered and your experience is likely to be better next time. You don’t need to spend a lot, dancers like even the small spenders if they are reliable and visit often. You will get treated better than the guy who never buys dances when he comes in or the guy who only buys dances from one dancer and then wants to change favorites. If you intended to have a dance with your favorite but she isn’t there, try out some of the other dancers. They will appreciate you for it. Also, dancers tend to think that a guy who just sits and doesn’t get dances doesn’t want dances so they tend to avoid asking him after awhile. If you get stuck in this rut, just ask a dancer for a dance, don’t wait for them to come to you.

Who is in club
Who is in the club also determines what kind of experience you will get. If the house mother or manager is there and wandering around, things are likely to be stricter than if they are not there. If you know what times these people are not there, you will likely have a better experience, Many do not show up early on day shifts or low traffic days. I remember walking into a club early on a Saturday afternoon and one of my favorites who nearly always gave good dances grabbed me almost as soon as I walked in the door. She whispered in my ear, “The manager is gone and there is no one here to watch the cameras, so we can have a good time in the VIP”. I was leery that this was typical stripper BS, but it seemed like too good an opportunity to pass up. As it turned out it was an excellent opportunity and I had the best dances from that dancer I ever had and some of the best ever. But I never had such a good an experience with that dancer again. It was all timing. Some waitresses and dancers will watch other dancers and tell management when they are doing more than they should. If such a dancer is dancing at the next table, or the waitress waiting tables in your area is known to complain about dancers going too far, this will make your experience poorer. If the dancer hasn’t told you what was going on you would never know, you would just think you had a poor dance from a dancer that had an otherwise good reputation. And dancers are likely not to tell you in fear that you will stop buying dances, which you should, and that the next time you come in you will notice the offending dancer or waitperson in your area and not get dances then. Some dancers will suggest you move or go to the VIP to avoid this. Take the hint. Many, though, will just dial back your experience. There is no real effective way to deal with this, but if you got a poor dance from an otherwise usually good dancer, you may wish to move to a different part of the club with different wait staff or a table with fewer neighboring tables, like in a corner next to a wall.

There is a reluctance on many dancers parts to give great dances to strangers, or someone they have never seen in the club before, or someone who looks like he has never been in the club before. Not much you can do about this, except give the club a second chance and hope that someone recognizes you the second time around. Spending money the first time around helps. When in a new club, I usually sit down and observe for a bit before I get dances so I can see how things are in the club. Notice how tipping is done and follow suit, Things to look for, can you hand money directly to the dancer or do you need to place it on stage, can you touch at the stage, if you stay long at the stage are you expected to tip again, or if tipping is even done on stage or it the dancers walk around to receive a tip. Check to see who is giving the best table dances.See whether people get dances on the floor or in the VIP. See who gives the most VIP dances and how long they last. See if the dancers do anything consistent after the VIP dance, like heading to the bathroom or dressing room to freshen up. I have seen a dancer who gives very good VIP dances head for the hand sanitizer after a VIP session. Look to see if they have wait staff or if you have to get your own drink from the bar. Often dancers will ask if you have been in a club before and part of the reason for this is to make sure that you will not cause trouble. I usually say yes, even if I have not been before. Doing your homework on TUSCL helps to answer this question if it gets pushed further, which it doesn’t usually. If you don’t feel like outright lying, say no, but you have been to other clubs in the area. Again TUSCL is your friend. Or say you have, but it has been a long time.

Law Enforcement
There is also fear that a stranger may be law enforcement; not just vice, but also alcohol control commission. So, don’t act like a cop. Act like yourself, a horny strip club customer. If there is concern that law enforcement/alcohol enforcement is in the club, or is actually in the club, your experience will change a lot, and not for the better. Also, if there is fear that law enforcement may show up, like recent raids on other clubs or tightening of alcohol enforcement, your experience will diminish. Often this occurs shortly before or after local and state elections. There isn’t much to do about this though, except to try another time. Some clubs have signals, like playing a particular song or having the DJ make an announcement . Also, I have been in clubs where the housemother went around and told the dancers that LEO were in the club. So if you hear a suspicious song being played at an odd time, or an odd announcement being made, or someone making the rounds whispering something in the dancer’s ears, there may be law enforcement in the club. The dancers or club management may be reluctant to pass the information on to you as you will likely stop buying dances. At one club I went to the uniformed cops on the beat walked in the club and stood in the back for 10 or 15 minutes every couple of hours. I suppose they were on a break. Similarly, I have seen fire fighters stand in the back of a club, presumably to insure that the fire marshall’s occupancy limit is not exceeded. Those are obviously poor times to get a dance, although the dancer may tell you it doesn’t matter.

Time of visit
In many clubs, there is a big difference in the experience you get between the day shift and the evening/night shift, and between week days and weekends, The day shift is often populated by single mothers eager to make a buck quickly and you will often get a better experience then than with evening shift dancers. The night shift is often populated by prima donnas, who think that they may be doing you a favor by dancing for you and as usually the club is busy during the evening/night shift, they can get away with that attitude. Same with weekends, particularly Sunday afternoons and to a lesser extent Saturday afternoons. Those are slow times and dances are likely to be better. Anytime the club is less populated you are likely to get a better dance as there are fewer customers to make money from. Simple supply and demand. Shift changes and times near closing are also productive for good experiences as dancers who haven’t made as much money as they think they should have that night will stretch the limits to put more money in their wallets. If there is a feature dancer and you don’t care about seeing her, when the feature dancer dances is a good time to get a dance as most of the patrons are there to see the feature and the other dancers get ignored.

The time of month can drive your experience, and not just from a physiological standpoint. The times closer to when bills are due are usually good for a great experience. This is usually, but not always around the first of the month. Since strippers don’t usually plan ahead or budget very well, the days after the rent is due are more productive than those before. There is also a seasonal effect: September, back to school expenses for their kids, December, Christmas presents, and January, paying credit card bills, are all good bets to get a good strip club experience. I once had a stripper tell me that she had just bought $75 in candy for her son’s Easter basket and she needed to make the money to pay for it. Great dance from a normally good dancer followed.

Personalities and Quirks
Well, I am treading on thin ice here, but some dancers can change attitudes or personalities quite drastically. Usually over the course of days, weeks, or months, but sometimes just in hours or minutes. I am no amateur psychologist, but I suppose that not unexpected. People with unstable personalities are not usually good prospects for more typical jobs. Alcohol or drugs are sometimes involved. Not much you can do here, but be aware of it. I had great dances from a dancer if I bought her a drink first. She wasn’t drunk, just a bit uninhibited or grateful for the drink, I could never tell. On the other hand I have had dancers approach me that were high or drunk or both and I doubted that they could stay awake during a dance. Obviously avoid those. I have had poor dances from dancers that were angry, usually with management, husbands, day care, landlords, significant others, you name it. If you don’t know what happened, you would think they are always like that. I had a great dance from a dancer that had just gotten out of jail for a DWI. Just be aware of a dancer’s attitude and go with the one’s that are mellow. I have had great dances from dancers that said I reminded them of an ex-boyfriend, musician, or favorite teacher. I suppose reading up on Freud may help here.

Expectations
It doesn’t hurt to set expectations with a dancer before a dance, particularly a VIP dance. Ask what kind of experience you can expect. Ask why it will be different than the dance on the floor. ask what you can do during the dance and what she will do. If you have specific requests make them before you go VIP. If extras are offered, set a price up front. I try to invest in at least a single dance on the floor with a dancer before I go to the VIP room and try to get in some touching or more during that dance so that the dancer knows that I am open to more. But if you don’t make it clear to the dancer what you want, you are less likely to get it as she is just guessing at what you want and how far you want her to go. Often they guess correctly, but not always. Sometimes they will be hesitant to tell you what to expect, as they are afraid of getting into trouble, or you won’t go if she won’t do what you want, but if you sense it will be a good time otherwise, try her for a single dance and if it isn’t what you want call it quits. You will know better next time.

Hygiene
Hygiene is important. Dancers tend to avoid guys that are dirty or smell.Take a shower before you go and put on clean clothes. Brush your teeth and use mouth wash. Suck on a breathe mint. Similarly they don’t like to rub their bodies on dirty clothes. Or rough clothes for that matter, so don’t go in blue jeans or denim jeans. Common sense should prevail here. And it might not be you, it might be the guy you came in with. I have had dancers tell me that another customer smelled so bad she lied about having to go on stage to avoid giving him a second dance.

I am sure that I have missed a few points, but there are enough here to ponder for awhile. Also, I just forgot, some reviewers on TUSCL stretch the truth a bit, so they may not have had the experience they said they had.
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When I first started to write this piece, I intended it to be a guide as to how to get the most out of visiting a new or strange club for the first time when traveling. Then I realized it would probably have broader appeal to people visiting any club for the first time. So here goes. I hope it is a useful piece.

When traveling one gets an opportunity to check out new clubs. Or, a new club may open in your town, or there may be a club in your town that you haven’t been to. Or, you may not have been to a club before. How does one get the most out of visiting a club for the first time? One can just go and see what develops, but being prepared can help one make the most of opportunities available. None of these things I am discussing are novel or earth shattering, but all put together, I hope they will be useful to some.

First off, use TUSCL. You can find clubs in the town you are going to be visiting and sort them by your criteria: overall rating, value, dancer quality, or club atmosphere. Read the reviews to get a feel for the club and to find one or more that is compatible for the strip club experience you are seeking. Note the date of the review as things can change fast in the strip club industry. Find out when they are open and see if that fits with your schedule. Once you have identified a club, or clubs, you want to visit, go to the club’s website. Most of these websites greatly exaggerate the club experience they offer, particularly in terms of the looks of the dancers, so ignore most of what is there and look for a coupon for free or discounted admission. Most clubs offer those coupons on the web and you can use the money saved for dancer tips, another drink, or dances. While you are on the web, jot down the phone number so you can call if you have questions as to directions or hours of operation. Also, many clubs advertise in those free throw away newspapers that are mostly ads and some have coupons in their ad, so check those out as well.

Lots of clubs are tucked away in out of the way places like industrial parks, county backroads, or the second (rear) building on a lot. Most clubs listed on TUSCL have maps along with the reviews and that will help you figure out how to get there. Google maps offer street views that are useful in finding where you are going, but they often blur out strip club signs as part of their desire to keep their offerings non offensive. Go figure. Determine the directions to the club before you leave. If you have a GPS or use Waze, that reduces the chances of getting lost a lot, but they are not infallible. You don’t want to spend time searching for a club when you could be in the club enjoying yourself.

Money drives almost all of what goes on at a strip club. You will be much better off once you realize this. So, make sure that you have enough cash before you get to the club. ATMs at clubs are notorious for charging exorbitant fees to withdraw your own money and although many of them charge under a different name than the establishment, it is still easier to explain an ATM withdrawal from a bank or credit union than from the rawhide lounge or some such. Don’t use a credit card as the opportunities for the club to overcharge it are abundant and you may be reluctant to dispute the charges. If you bring cash, avoid large bills, like 50s or 100s. In a dark club, it is easy to make a mistake in paying and you are better off losing a 20 when you intended to spend a five than a 50 or 100. If you do have these larger bills, spend them right away so you can get change in smaller bills. Be sure you have 5 or 10 ones when you walk in; nothing is worse than wanting to tip a dancer on stage and having to wait for change from the waitress or bar maid and by that time she is gone. I keep my singles separated from my bigger bills so I don’t accidentally tip a $20 when I go for a one. This mistake is easy to do, so avoid it by putting your ones in one pocket and your higher bills in a second pocket in some kind of rational order so you don’t get them mixed up. Before you go, determine how much you want to spend and don’t go over that amount. Leave when it is gone. That little head can do a job on your bank account. There will always be another time to visit and having experienced what is available you can wisely spend money on dancers.

The second thing you should realize is that there are exceptions to everything that goes on in a strip club and everything that someone says about what goes on in a strip club. You won’t necessarily get the same experience someone else got, or even the same experience the next time you go, or even from the same dancer. So don’t write off a club on the basis of one visit, but don’t think it is the greatest thing since Disneyland based on one visit either.

The TUSCL reviews should prepare you at least a bit for what to expect when you get to the club, but as I said earlier, things change in the strip club business, often very fast. Be prepared for wanding or a pat down and scanning of your ID on entrance as that is becoming more common. Most clubs that scan IDs get rid of the scans if you don’t cause trouble or run up a big bill on your credit card. That won’t happen because you aren’t using a credit card. Use your coupon that you clicked from the web site for cover. There is usually a tip jar by whoever is taking the cover and I usually throw in a dollar, even if I got free cover with the coupon. Some don’t tip the door hostess, and I understand that, but I think it reasonable, and if you get a reputation for being a cheapskate at the beginning all bets are off inside the club. The help at a strip club talk and as money is what makes a strip club operate, you don’t want to get a reputation as a cheap skate. So tip when you can. You don’t need to be overly generous, but you shouldn’t be cheap with the tips either.

Many clubs have drink minimums. Some clubs will charge you the drink minimum when you pay the cover and bring you the drinks when you enter. Others include the drink minimum in the cover. Others say that they have a 2 drink or whatever minimum but really don’t have any way of tracking it. If you are tipping well and getting dances, they usually ignore the drink minimum. If you can, I suggest you ignore it too. If you are tipping dancers and perhaps buying a few dances there is no reason why you should also be subject to a drink minimum. Most waitstaff recognize this and won’t push for the drink minimum.

When you enter the club you may well be escorted to a table or seat by the bouncer or other employee. If you don’t like the seat they give you, feel free to get up and sit somewhere else. Usually clubs aren’t too picky about who sits where, but there are exceptions. The bouncer may be trying to fill in empty spots in the club, or getting customers to sit in a particular waitress’s territory, but those are not really concerns of yours. In some clubs there are some spots, like against the walls or in dark corners where if you sit there, they expect you to get dances. Some clubs informally reserve tables for big spenders. If you are asked to move, move, otherwise don’t put too much stock in sitting where they escort you. I like to sit where I can see the whole club, including the entrance to the VIP area so I can see what is happening.

Order a drink and get settled in. Tip your waitress. Clubs are usually dark, so let your eyes get adjusted to the dark, particularly before choosing a dancer for a dance. Observe how the dancers get tipped, whether at the stage or after the dance on a tip walk, and if you can touch the dancer when you give the tip or if you have to leave it for the dancer to pick up. These customs vary from club to club and are not hard to pick up on. Some local ordinances forbid touching the dancer when tipping and others forbid tipping at the stage, hence the tip walk. I try to tip all of the dancers at least once. You don’t have to, but it helps your reputation as a good customer. And that will help improve your strip club experience. The tip walk is an odd thing; I first came across it in San Diego, one of the places that forbid tipping at the stage. After the dancers dance on stage, they visit each table in turn asking for a tip. While this kind of removes the voluntary aspect of tipping, in some cases the dancers have no other choice. As I usually tip every dancer anyway, it doesn’t bother me too much. If you didn’t see the dancer perform, you don’t have to tip, just tell the dancer you didn’t see her. Some will complain, how you deal with that is up to you, but it really isn’t worth a dollar to make a scene.

Observe the dancers giving dances on the floor. Note who gives air dances and who gets up close and personal. You want the up close and personal dancer of course to dance for you. Notice which dancer goes to the VIP often and how long they stay there. You will usually, but not always get a good dance from the dancer who is busy and does a lot of dances at a time. View what a dancer does after she leaves the VIP room. If they head for the bathroom to clean up, that is a good clue as to what went on in the VIP room. In a club I visit there is a dancer who gives very good VIP dances, I know because I have partaken in them. I can always tell if she has given a really great dance in the VIP room by whether or not she heads straight for the Purell dispenser after leaving the VIP room.

You will be approached by dancers for dances. By now your observations of who gets up close and personal and who doesn’t should have paid off. Dancers will sometimes ask you if you have been at the club before. It doesn’t really matter how you answer this question, but I would suggest that you not bring up TUSCL. TUSCL members have a bad reputation from some dancers. Others who know TUSCL will ask what the review says of them or other dancers. You want to avoid those discussions. Some may feel that if you say no, you will be marked as an easy mark or not get as good an experience as those who visit more often. If you say no, expect the dancer to ask how you heard about the club. I would suggest that you tell them that you heard from a friend, in the yellow pages, the concierge at the hotel, or in a throw away paper. Some may feel that if you say yes, then the dancers will know that you know what to expect and then they will deliver accordingly. That may be true, but this answer can lead to further awkward discussion: How often do you come here?, Who have you gotten dances from?, I haven’t seen you here before, and other lines of discussion that you don’t really want to pursue. In the end, it doesn’t really matter, so play it by ear. One of the advantages of saying no is that you can ask questions as to how things work at the club and if the dancer is particularly friendly you may get more information that you would think. If you don’t want a dance from the dancer that sat down with you, tell her no when she asks. Be polite, but don’t be pressured into getting dances from a dancer you don’t want dances from.

You may be asked to buy a drink for the dancer. You are under no obligation to do so, but usually the dancer will leave if you don’t. In some clubs the dancers are expected to sell a certain number of drinks and you can take that into consideration. Some clubs will water down the drinks or serve the dancer something nonalcoholic and overcharge you. In some clubs, the clubs on the Block in Baltimore are a good example of this, buying the dancer a drink is code for having the dancer play with you. Those drinks are small and expensive, but you get more in play than the dancer gets in alcohol.

Get a lap dance on the floor from a dancer if you get good vibes from her. If you like it, repeat or move on to the VIP room. If not, pay the dancer and move on. The dancer will often suggest the VIP room. I always get a dance on the floor first and if that is promising, then agree to go to the VIP room. If the dancer suggests a visit to the VIP room, ask her how the dance there differs from the one on the floor. You will get a variety of answers ranging from vague to explicit, but don’t put too much stock in any of them. I have gotten great VIP dances from those who gave vague answers and poor dances from those who explicitly promised the moon. You really need to find out in person. Still it doesn’t hurt to be specific on what you expect in the VIP room if the club allows what you want. Sometimes the VIP sales job includes touching or nasty talk about of what she wants to do to you and other forms of mild, and not so mild, seduction or touching. These are a better indication of what you will get in the VIP room, but are no guarantee of what will go on, although in some clubs if you don’t get this kind of encouragement it really points to a bad dance coming up.

During the first lap dance, either on the floor or in the VIP room, you are trying to establish how much fun you can have. Experiment with light touching but don’t go overboard or be too aggressive. If she doesn’t like it, or won’t permit touching, she will tell you and you will probably want to move on to another dancer. If she doesn’t protest, you can try more touching and in more opportune spots. She may tell you that you need to visit the VIP room for more touching and that may or may not be the case, but it is probably worth at least one dance in the VIP room if she appeals to you and has given you a good lap dance on the floor. If it doesn’t get better in the VIP room, cut your losses and move on to another dancer.

Some clubs will require you to pay for a VIP dance before you get it. Sometimes that is a club rule and sometimes it is a state or local regulation. The purpose of that is to prevent the dancers from setting their own prices, underreporting dances to reduce the house take on the dances or receiving tips, particularly for extras. The advice here is not to prepay for more than one dance if you don’t know the dancer. Then if you like it, pay for more. If you don’t, you have only lost the cost of a dance. Some clubs charge a VIP admission fee, usually $10 or $20. This is usually good for the whole night. Sometimes they give you a wrist band to track you, other times, they just go by memory.

The mileage you get from a dancer in a lap dance will vary a lot from dancer to dancer, club to club, state to state, city to city, time of day, and who is working, not only the dancers, but also the bouncers, wait staff, bar tenders and floor managers. If you get a lot of touching, that is a good sign, but it is no guarantee that all dancers will touch that much or that it will be that way every time from every dance. In general, the more the dancer touches you, the more you can touch her, but some clubs strictly limit touching of the dancers by the customers while allowing the dancers lots of freedom in touching. Whatever you do, don’t tell the dancer who limits your contact that you get higher mileage from other dancers. That may get the dancer who allows a lot of touching in trouble, either with management or with other dancers. If that gets back to the permissive dancer, then you have killed the goose that lays the golden egg.

Some dancers and clubs will expect you to tip the dancer if you have had a good lap dance experience. Do it if you feel you want to, as often you can’t get a great experience without tipping. Sometimes the dancer will ask after the dance. Sometimes they will tell you what they expect for a tip before the dance. I usually tip the price of a dance if I had had more than 3 or 4 great dances, but often I don’t tip if the dancer doesn’t ask. If a dancer asks for a tip and you don’t tip, you likely won’t get great dances from that dancer again.

Don’t expect the same treatment as regulars get. Dancers will generally push the limits with regular customers, or customers that they have seen in the club before. They know that these are safe customers, not law enforcement, pathetic losers, or creeps. They feel more comfortable with a familiar face or familiar whatever.

Treat the dancers with respect, but that doesn’t mean you can’t push the limits. Just stop when they ask you to. Remember that they are working for tips and their cut of the dance money. I think you should tip every dancer at least once, and if a particular dancer doesn’t appeal to you politely decline a dance and don’t insult the dancer.

Don’t expect extras the first time you visit a club, unless you are in a city and/or club that is noted for them. You can ask for them or suggest them, but don’t be disappointed if the dancer says no. On the other hand, there are some clubs and some cities in which it is hard not to get extras. Reading the reviews and discussions here at TUSCL will tell which clubs that have extras are where.

You also shouldn’t expect to get a dancer to see you outside the club (OTC) on the first visit either. There are exceptions though, usually at certain clubs in certain cities. So, it doesn’t hurt to ask, if you are polite about it and don’t push, the worst that will happen is you will be told no. Sometimes, although rarely, a dancer who says no will send over a dancer that is more agreeable, but don’t expect that either. If you want to see a dancer OTC, just ask, there is no sense in confusing the issue. There are no secret code words or phrases for OTC. Ask her if you can do more than is allowed in the club, ask if she does private dances outside the club, ask if she would like to have dinner with you, or drinks after the club closes, or whatever. Again, if youi are polite about it, the worse that will happen is that she will say no.

If are visiting a strange club in a strange city, have a plan B if the club is not to your liking. Go somewhere else, but to do that you should really line up alternate clubs first. Use TUSCL and the web to identify more than one club you want to visit. Get the coupons from the web, download the addresses and know where you are going. There is no guarantee that the new club will be any better, but at least you tried. At most you will be out the cover charge and an initial drink at the first club.

Finally, write a review for TUSCL on your club visit. Be specific about the club details and whether or not you enjoyed it. That way, others can benefit from your experience as you have benefited from other TUSCLer’s reviewers. If you got extras or OTC, be discreet about mentioning it in the review and don’t name names when talking about explicit acts. That could get the dancer in trouble, or the club in trouble with the law.

Enjoy your visit and don’t forget to tell us about it. Your first visit to a strip club
Dec 2004
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November 1, 2015
If you are visiting Albuquerque for the Balloon Fiesta you can have fun in several strip clubs. While Albuquerque is not a destination strip club city, I think the clubs are above average for the US and well worth visiting.

If you are going to the balloon fiesta, you will be getting up early in the morning as most of the action is early in the morning. You don’t want to miss the dawn patrol, which means getting up well before sunrise. Driving to the balloon fiesta is possible, and there are plenty of parking spots, but getting there can be crowded and sometimes a bit convoluted. I suggest taking one of the buses which are quick and relatively painless. You can buy the bus ticket on line and print it out so it is really easy. The buses leave from several locations in Albuquerque, usually shopping centers with large parking lots. There are also evening events, like the balloon glow, so that pretty much leaves only the day to go clubbing.

Albuquerque is not an extras city, but you can find them with the right dancer under the right conditions. Just don’t go expecting them. If you are driving to Albuquerque and want to partake in extras check out The Red Parrot and Cabaret in El Paso if you are driving from the east, and The Blue Moon in Phoenix if you are driving from the west.

The strip clubs in Albuquerque get a modest bump in attendance during the balloon fiesta, so there are some dancers that visit from Phoenix and Las Vegas for the fiesta. Still the clubs will not be too crowded in the day.

Here are my favorite clubs:

TD’s North - There are two TD’s clubs in Albuquerque and I prefer North. It is bigger and better laid out. The dancers here are a bit more high end than at the other clubs in town and you will find more of the southern California type blonde with fabricated tits here if you are into that. However, there is usually a good variety of dancers here, always a few African Americans, lots of Hispanics, and a few Asians. Drinks are modestly expensive, $5.75 for a bottle of beer. Service is good and the lunches are cheap and adequate, but not high cuisine. There is usually no cover during the day and if you go in the evening when there is a cover, you can print out a coupon from the internet for free admission. Tipping is at the rail, a dollar is customary and you might get a little touch or not, depending on the dancer. Dances on the floor are $10. If you want one, try to find a table on the wall. There are some nooks and crannies in the club that give more privacy than other locations. In the VIP room dances are $25 per song. There are two VIP rooms, one with couches and one with booths. I prefer the one with booths, it is a bit more private. Due to local ordinances, there are no doors on the VIP rooms, but there is OK Privacy none the less. The bouncer will visit the VIP room once during a song to check who is giving dances, but that is it. They are not intrusive. So, the VIP dances are usually high mileage. If you don’t get high mileage during the first dance, stop and find another dancer. I like Diane, Hyrasin, and Mystique for VIP room dances. They tend to put in extra effort. If Elena comes over from Phoenix, she also gives good VIP dances. If you can only visit one club in Albuquerque, I recommend TD’s North.

TD’s Eubank (also known as TD’s Gold) - I think the TD’s Eubank location is a notch below TD’s North, so I don’t get there very often. I find the club layout not too conducive to good floor dances, there aren’t many nooks and crannies to offer privacy. Tipping is at the stage and you may get a bit extra, but don’t expect it. There are two VIP areas, one behind the bar with booths and one upstairs. I haven’t been to the one upstairs, but the one behind the bar offers some privacy and I have gotten good dances there, but not on a par with TD’s North in my experience. That may be because I don’t go that often. The VIP dances are $25. I don’t get here often enough to have any favorites here, so I can’t make any recommendations. Tipping is at the stage. There is no cover during the day, and if you go at night you can print out a coupon from the internet. There are a variety of dancers here too, but I think their looks are a notch down from the North club. Still you can have a lot of fun here and I recommend the club if you are staying in that part of town. They also offer lunch, and I think the food is just adequate, but it is inexpensive. Drinks are on the high side.

Knockouts - Knockouts is located downtown, so if you are staying downtown it is worth visiting. The dancers here are a substantial step down from the two clubs above and are usually on their way out of the business, or can’t get hired at the TD’s clubs. The up side is that the floor dances are only $5 and VIP dances $10. I have had some good times here, but not in the last year or so, so I can’t make any recommendations on dancers. At the price of dances though, you may find one to your liking without investing a lot. Drinks are cheap and tipping is at the stage, which doesn’t get you much of anything special. There is no cover during the day and there is no food here. There is a small cover in the evening, but there are no coupons available on their web site. Knockouts opens at 2:00PM, but often there aren’t dancers there until later and things are pretty sparse until 4:00 or so. Dancers here are mostly Hispanic and African American. Some times you will find a real gem here, but they are usually just biding their time until they can get hired by one of the other clubs. You won’t spend a lot of money here.

Fantasy World - Fantasy World is the only nude club in Albuquerque. There is no alcohol served. You have to go through an adult book store to get to the club. It doesn’t open until 600PM, so it is an evening/late night club. The dancers are usually younger than 21 because they can’t work in one of the clubs that serves alcohol. In my experience most of the dancers seem reallyy detached so it is really a rather sterile experience. The VIP area is a row of booths and a bouncer checks several times during a song, so in my experience the VIP sessions are not worth it. In fact, I think the whole club is not worth it and all of the topless clubs offer a better experience in my opinion. Still, if you want nude it is the only option.

You may be tempted to go to Cheeks in Santa Fe, but that is a pretty bland experience in my opinion. Club 203 is east of Albuquerque near Moriarty, but it too is not worth the trip. Stay in Albuquerque.

There is a Peep Show on Rio Bravo, and if that is your thing, you may like it, but it is a pretty dingy place and with a sheet of glass between you and the dancer; not too intimate experience in my opinion.

I don’t do OTC, but have been offered it occasionally over the years. I suspect that if you ask, it is likely available from the right dancer under the right circumstances, but I wouldn’t expect it as a matter of course. Still, it does’t hurt to ask.

You can find more information on Albuquerque Strip Clubs in the reviews on TUSCL, which are fairly accurate in my opinion. You will have a good time in the Albuquerque Strip Clubs, just don’t expect an Atlanta/Detroit/Tampa/El Paso experience and you won’t be disappointed.
Dec 2004
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Going to strip clubs is expensive. Nobody is going to argue that. But there are ways to make your money last longer and to have more fun at a club for the same amount of money. Here are some suggestions:

1.Don't be cheap. Spend your money wisely, but don't be a skinflint. In particular, be a good tipper. If you are not a good tipper, you will get a reputation for being cheap and once you have that reputation, you won't have as much fun in the club. Dancers and waitresses treat cheap customers differently than those that spend reasonably. You don't need to be a big spender though.

a. Tip every dancer, whether you find her attractive or not, whether you want a dance from them or not, and most importantly, even if you want to spend the money on something else, like a lap dance or the VIP room. Tipping every dance will get you a good reputation with not only the dancers that don't generally get tipped much, but also the dancers who do get tipped. The ones who do get tipped a lot will recognize that you respect the profession as well as the individual dancer and that will go a long way towards establishing a good relationship with all the dancers. Figure out how much money you will need to tip every dancer and set that aside. When it is gone, leave, or reallocate resources.

b. Tip the waitstaff. Waitresses and bar tenders will respect you for this and make your life in the club more enjoyable. If you stiff the help, they can make your life in the club miserable. Again don't be cheap. Lots of times you have a choice of tipping low, or tipping high. When in doubt tip high. Say you order a $5.50 drink. You can pay with $6 and tell the waitress to keep the change. That is a low tip by any standards. Or you can give her $7 and tell her to keep the change. That is a generous tip.

c. Don't sit at the stage without tipping every dancer every dance. If you can't afford to do this, don't sit at the stage. Sit away from the stage and walk up to the stage to tip. But you should still tip every dancer.

d. Buy something. Don't sit there without a drink. It is OK to nurse a drink, but when it is empty, you should order another one after a reasonable period. the exception to this rule is if the club has a drink minimum, then I figure after you have bought the minimum, you don't owe them anything.

2. Use the TUSCL reviews to scope out a midscale club in your area. The high scale clubs usually cost more, and often don't offer as good an experience as the mid scale clubs. They also often have extra hidden charges, such as valet parking or a bathroom attendant you need to tip. Most reviews in TUSCL list such things as cover, drink, and dance prices. Use these as a guide. There is also a value rating, which can serve as a guide as well, but I have found it varies significantly from city to city. I don't suggest staring out with a low scale club; there are values there, but if you get a bad one on the first try, it may turn you off from clubbing. Save the low scale ones for after you get some club experience.

3. Check the club's internet site or your local throw away paper for coupons. Often clubs will offer free admission or some money off on a cover charge. Use it.

4. See if there is reduced cover or no cover on some days. Often clubs will reduce or eliminate cover during the day or all day on slow days. This is often listed on their web sites, or in one of the throw away newspapers. Or take note when you enter the club, these events are often posted.

5. Take advantage of drink specials. Clubs often run drink specials during happy hours or at different times during the day. Take note of when the special drink offer is made, these are often repeated periodically, say every hour or half hour. Time your drinking to be nearly empty when the next one occurs.

6. Watch the dancers to see who gives the best lap dance. If you are trying to make your money go a long way, I would avoid getting a dance from a dancer I have not seen give a dance to another customer. Often the number of dances in a row that a guy gets will give a hint as to the dancers ability to give a good dance. So pay attention,without being obvious, to how the dancers perform for other guys.

7. Be careful of buying a dancer a drink. Some clubs jack up the prices on dancer's drinks and some dancers order exotic drinks, so you need to beware of this. If you like the dancer and you want to get a dance from here, just say no, how about a lap dance instead when the waitress asks if you want to buy the dancer.

8. Don't be afraid to say no. Many dancers are persistent, but if you don't want a dance from them just say no. You aren't obligated to get a dance from all who offer, and not getting a dance from a dancer you don't really want to get a dance from will burn through your money faster.

9. While VIP dances can be a lot of fun, they are also most expensive, so choose wisely before going down this path. If you want to make your money go a long way, don't get a VIP dance from a dancer you haven't gotten a good or great lap dance from on the floor. If the first dance in the VIP room isn't what you expect, stop it there. Don't chase good money after bad.

10. Speaking of VIP dances, many clubs charge money to get in to the VIP area. If your club does this, check to see if there are times when the cover is waived. Go then.

11. Go at lunch time. You need to eat anyway, so go to a club that offers lunch. The lunches at clubs are usually not expensive, and if you are checking out a club and don't want to be bothered by dancers, telling them that you are waiting for lunch or are eating inch usually is a good excuse to not get a dance. Plus your time is limited to your lunch hour, so you can;t dally and spend a lot of money.

12. Go during a slow time, usually in the day during the week. You will get more attention for your money from both the dancers and the waitstaff. Dancers are usually eager to make money and you may get a better experience than at other times.

13. Keep your strip club money separate from the rest of your cash. When it is gone leave. Watch what you are spending. Get in the habit of looking at every bill you spend before you spend it. While the dancer will be happy if you accidentally tip her a $10 instead of a $1, you will not be. Before I tip a dancer I fold the bill in thirds lengthwise with the "one" facing out so I know what I am spending. I keep dollars for tipping in one pocket and money for dances and drinks in another pocket.When that is gone I leave. See 14.

14. When you run out of money, finish your drink and leave. You will regret using a credit card or ATM card. That is a good way to spend money without due consideration. ATM charges are usually astronomical. Credit cards are often over charged.Plus the charges are usually to a weird name and although not usually associated with a strip club, they can raise questions if someone else is scrutinizing your card statement.

How much to bring? Well as a minimum, you will need cover, the price of a couple of drinks, plus tips, and enough money to tip every dancer, say a $1 every 4 or 5 minutes while you are there. This is a barebones experience and will probably run you $40 to $50 or more at most clubs, depending on how long you stay, what the cover is and so on. If you want lap dances add the cost of those. The amount you need to bring will climb fast. Same with VIP dances.

Go to a few clubs and see how you like them Every club has a different personality and you will probably feel more comfortable at one than another. You will see how far your money goes at each. Write a couple of honest reviews for TUSCL so the rest of us can benefit from your knowledge. Posting a review or article will get you a month free VIP membership and save you a few bucks.

If you find it costs more to have a good time than you bring, then save up your money and don't go as often. Build up a club fund in a envelope in the desk, or in that secret compartment in your wallet. Put a $20 in it every pay day. Get an extra $10 or $20 when you go to an ATM and put that in your fund. If you use a debit card to make purchases get $10 or $20 cash back every other time you use it and add that to your fund.

Having said all that, realize that money is the motivation for nearly everything that goes on at a strip club. This goes for the club owners and management, the wait staff, and the dancers. If you don't understand something that goes on in a club, try to think of it in terms of money. You will usually understand it better.

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Here's how this works. Your fellow TUSCLers put together a nominee list of 85 songs that will be cut down to a list of finalists for discussion in the forums. 5 songs will get picked from there. The Strip Club Music HOF discussion thread is here at www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=49342.

Process: Anyone who is a TUSCL member can weigh in on the cutdown to the 10-20 finalists. The way to vote is to submit a list of up to 10 songs from the list below in order of your #1 out to a #10. Your list can be posted on this article, in the discussion thread, or PM'd to wallanon by Sunday, May 21st. The finalists will then get posted back to the discussion thread. If your fav song didn't get nominated, there's always next time.

Nom #, Name of Song, Artist
1, "sex metal barbie", in this moment
2, "pornstar dancing", my darkest days
3, "walk", pantera
4, "super massive black hole", muse
5, "black rose immortal", opeth
6, "girls girls girls", motley crue
7, "pour some sugar on me", def leppard
8, "The Stripper", David Rose & His Orchestra
9, "You Shook Me All Night Long", AC/DC
10, "Thong Song", Sisqo
11, "I'm 'n Luv (Wit a Stripper)", T-Pain feat. Mike Jones
12, "Get Ready For This", 2 Unlimited
13, "Baby Got Back", Sir Mix-A-Lot
14, "Harlem Shake", Baauer
15, "Cherry Pie", Warrant
16, "Seventeen", Winger
17, "No More Tears", Ozzy Osbourne
18, "Stranglehold", Ted Nugent
19, "Running With The Devil", Van Halen
20, "Bad Girlfriend", Theory of a Deadman
21, "Lollipop", Lil Wayne
22, "slip of the lip", Ratt
23, "my lust your fate", burning rain
24, "Low", Flo Rida
25, "Hey Nineteen", Steely Dan
26, "Stroke", Billy Squires
27, "Armageddon It", Def Lepard
28, "Tila In The House", Midnight Leftovers
29, "Gold Digger", Kanye West
30, "Photograph", Def Leppard
31, "Ain't No Fun", Snoop Dogg
32, "She Will", Lil Wayne and Drake
33, "Fresh From Head 2 Toe", Billy Blue
34, "Turn On The Lights", Future
35, "Panda", Desiigner
36, "Trap Queen", Fetty Wap
37, "Next Contestant", Nickelback
38, "Golddigger", Armin van Buuren
39, "Bolero", Ravel
40, "Say It Right", Nelly Furtado
41, "My Girlfriend is a Dancer (Titty Dancer)", Dan Diamond
42, "Pony", Ginuwine
43, "The Sex is Great", Saving Abel
44, "lick it up", Kiss
45, "dance the night away", Van Halen
46, "everybody wants some", Van Halen
47, "girl gets around", Sammy Hagar
48, "legs", ZZ Top
49, "tube snake boogie", ZZ Top
50, "karn evil 9 1st impression part 2", Emerson lake and Palmer
51, "Closer", Nine Inch Nails
52, "Rock Candy", Montrose
53, "Bandz make her dance", Juicy J
54, "Feeling Love", Paula Cole
55, "Can't You Hear Me Knocking", Rolling Stones
56, "Hot Legs", Rod Stewart
57, "Drop Dead Legs", Van Halen
58, "Desire", Meg Myers
59, "The Way You Move", OutKast
60, "Beautiful People", Marilyn Manson
61, "Shakin Hands", Nickelback
62, "You Can Leave Your Hat On", Joe Cocker
63, "Take it Off", Kiss
64, "Free Bird", Lynard Skynard
65, "Get Low", Lil Jon
66, "Dirrty", Christina Aguilera
67, "Crazy Bitch", Buckcherry
68, "American Woman", Lenny Kravitz
69, "Rock You Like a Hurricane", Scorpions
70, "You Can't Touch This", MC Hammer
71, "In the Night", The Weeknd
72, "Something in Your Mouth", Nickelback
73, "Unskinny Bop", Poison
74, "Rockstar", Nickelback
75, "Milkshake", Kelis
76, "Shakin'", Eddie Money
77, "Hair of the Dog", Nazareth
78, "Paradise City", Guns & Roses
79, "Bad Medicine", Bon Jovi
80, "I Hate Myself for Loving You", Joan Jett
81, "Darlin Nikki", Prince
82, "Hells Bells", AC/DC
83, "Oh Yeah", Yello
84, "Pump up the jam", Technotronic
85, "Personal Jesus", Depeche Mode
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May 19, 2017
So first and foremost, just because it's a black oriented club doesn't mean it is a dive. Second, the only reason why it's called a "Black" club is because of the stereotype that only black men like big booty girls or "thick" women and being that they mostly hire big booty black chicks must mean only black people are meant for the club. That is based on prejudice views that hold no weight. Unfortunately strip club owners make a killing off it so they're not going to bother fighting the stereotype. But if your a tweedy little white adult that like big butts and cannot lie, your more than welcome to the party. Believe or not, they have women of many shape, size and ethnicity.

So unlike one of those high brow"Gentleman's Club", jeans are perfectly acceptable and expected. Come in with a suit looking like you came out of a business meeting, you best hope you are the best looking amongst a sea of bums because the name guy walking through that door with a big gaudy chain on will be quick to take your stripper if he wants to. Not to say all the gaudy chain wearers get the best looking dancers but you just look too out of place and may come off as high nosed and better than thou which no dancer wants to deal with. Your better off with Ed hardy shirt rather than a suit.

To continue the subject, your appearance matters. Contrary to popular belief, unlike your standard clubs, unless you make your presence known or are a serious regular, fat old guys are not the most sought after here. Those that look the coolest can have the best time. I know I just said don't wear a suit, but that doesn't also mean come with a stained T-shirt and super baggy jeans. You have to keep up with the trend or be good looking enough to have your clothes acceptable. Not to say no girl will not give you a dance, but the man with the designer belt and nice watch will do better. Unfair, absolutely but in black clubs there's an odd balance between acceptable and peacocking. Of course muscles and nice abs trumps all but the audimar or the Rolex watch.

Why, because here girls actually do like to have fun. And they have even more fun with a good looking guy. And a young guy. That's right young bucks. Due to stereotypes the young buck walking into this is EXPECTED to have money. And your also expected to be at least marginally good looking. Most other clubs, the young buck may have to work harder but not here. But this also means your held to a higher standard. So good luck with that. At the very least get your shoe game up. Ain't nothing worse for a young brother in these black clubs than having goofy shoes. I remember on a Saturday where there was a line to get in the club, a guy actually got turned away because his Jordans were busted. And this ain't your white collar type strip club either. I was shocked and nervous because I was wearing Levi kicks, but thankfully they were clean. It was also getting pretty packed so that was a thing. Never seen that in a strip club before but hey you learn something new every day.

I shouldn't have to tell you this but booty bouncing is a regular thing here so if you expect less booty shaking and more erotic dancing, your in the wrong club. And prepare to also start your time with a dancer by standing and getting danced on (ass first). In most black clubs however, your just tipping for as long as she dances on you in that position and not the 3-minute payment plan. I have yet to do vip, but depending on location, it can be the same as your regular strip club.

Which moves into our next topic which we love and hate: stage tipping. Don't do. Simple as that. I don't care how cool you want to look in front of the boys because that's all your doing. Fronting for the boys! Do you like boys? No you like women!? Phew me too, got me you got me worried. Making it rain only works for the coolest of people or nobodies that wants to be cool. If you ain't Drake, your not getting pussy stage rain. Just stick to offstage tipping if you must. Otherwise women expect more than just your 20 singles.

Lastly, everyone is there to have a good time. Don't be acting all tough just because a bunch of big strong black men are throwing around their weight and money. And don't be scared just because you may the only white guy or Indian guy in the club. Just smell nice, dress nice (wear chino's if it makes you feel better) and enjoy the company of bootyful women.

I'm sure I forgot a couple things, so if you have any suggestions or questions leave them down below.
Aug 2002
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Over the years I have become friendly enough with talent that I've talked to them about the workplace and I thought it would be useful to describe the deals that strippers have with management. Girls that work in clubs, please chime in and elaborate on this.

Nice looking girls who are comfortable being naked and can dance can easily gain employment at clubs except that it isn't considered employment by the club. They are termed independent contractors and, in fact, pay to work there. At one local institution, the girls pay the least if they show up at 3 pm. Every hour after that costs them more to clock in. There is no hourly pay. They keep all their stage tips and floor dance money. However, any time they use a room, they are paying out about 40% to management. Management therefore knows the 60% of VIP costs collected and reports those to IRS and state tax office. This is why girls are always asking for tips. Tips, drinks and OTC are not reported.

There are a lot of people the girls are expected to tip including the DJ, the house Mom (and/or Dad), the floor managers who seat customers, the guys who park cars. Some of these people help the girls, especially at closing time. Others can be pricks. Some of the guys have to dress nice but also don't really get paid by the house.

The dressing thing is pretty interesting. Obviously, we like strippers to look hot and they can't make money if they don't look hot. However, there are a number of rules at clubs that are at the whim of management. Management can specify that particular too much (legal issues) or too little. More of a problem are the shoes. Despite the fact that a girl can look sensational in flats or barefoot and may have knee or foot injuries, she's unlikely going to be able to work without really high heels.

Management puts up signs that say no touching this or that. Obviously, this is to leave the girls holding the bag if there is a bust. The management will claim that they thought they were an air dance establishment and the girl must have been a slut or a hooker.

Whether considered employees or contractors, strippers should be able to obtain health insurance through the affordable care act. Their major tax issue as contractors is that they have to pay self employment tax if they don't have sufficient clothing or gas expenses to offset reported income. Again, this reinforces the non reported piece of stripper income, which is not as likely to be in large bills because it is outside of VIP or is tipped on top of VIP. I would be interested to know whether strippers who have unionized as employees have made shoes an issue or have stuck to the typical issues of compensation. Also, what is the correlation between stripper-friendly workplaces and customer satisfaction?
Jul 2015
May '17
3
0
9/7
1/1
April 23, 2017
9
May 14, 2017
Interesting start to an article, I know. I have discovered how to be invisible at a strip club. It's an amazing sensation, sitting, staring at beautiful women sauntering past. One by one, they pass by. Sometimes looking forward, as if they have somewhere to be: sometimes checking their phone, as if they'll make more money on their phone; sometimes checking out the booth or the table next to me; occasionally checking out the table behind me. When I say invisible, I don't mean completely invisible. Magically the waitress can see me and the bouncers politely nod at me. Then, there is the occasional unicorn stripper that looks my way and approaches, but for the most part the girls appear to look right through me.

And I'm sure you're wondering, how can I be invisible at a strip club? Unfortunately it's easier than you'd think. My wife and I are in our 40's and have been going to strip clubs together for the past few years. We started in Vegas, then in our home town, then on vacations. We enjoy our time, as I've shared in previous reviews and discussions. Our m.o. is simple. We typically go early (late evening) and enjoy the shift change from afternoon shift to night shift. When the club has good food, we love our "dinner at the club", and the show is usually more entertaining than people watching at a vanilla restaurant.

I digress. Evidently there are so many strippers that are freaked out by couples that they don't know how to handle themselves,. Childishly, they simply pretend like you're not there. The unicorns have shared with us that some of the girls fear that the wife is there reluctantly; they fear the wife's jealousy, sometimes the husband's jealousy; some just don't know what to do with another girl.

During a recent visit to a strip club, it actually got so bad, we were on the aisle with girls walking by and there was a guy sitting at a table behind us. There were so many girls passing by and just looking the other way. I felt bad for the guy, as if I was "cock-blocking" him. I know what some of you are going to say, you need to be more aggressive and approach the girl you want. We've tried that. Too often we get a girl that doesn't know how to handle a couple and all we get is disappointment.

We've had some, unusual, girls dance for us. Many of whom are not our style. The most unusual, for us, was a goth girl, tattoos, black makeup, definitely not our style. She approached us, excited, and we decided to go along. She was the last dance of the evening that night. She got us so worked up, we immediately left and went back to be together.

We've developed "rules", or ways of detecting whether or not we've found a unicorn. First, and foremost, if the girl approaches me first, we typically do not get dances. It's kind of like "guy code" for girls. Girls should show respect for other girls. The dancers that approach my wife first and get cozy with her, have been the best. Many times they will ask my wife's permission to sit on my lap or question which one of us would like a dance first. Thankfully my wife not only cooks and cleans, but she takes excellent care of me, as well. The unicorn will say that she "loves couples". The best of them will not charge double for a couples dance. When they're giving me a dance, they spend a lot of time looking at my wife. During my dance, they also touch my wife; tits, thigh, hair. They'll take her hand and have her touch them, and many times encourage my wife to touch me (thankfully she doesn't need much encouragement there). When they're dancing for her, they're looking at her, and hands are moving around more freely. For me, that's hot!

So, our invisibility ensues and we endure it. We wait quietly, patiently for the elusive unicorn stripper to wander past us, bringing the joy that only a mythical creature can provide.
Jan 2017
May '17
1
0
1/1
2/1
April 23, 2017
4
April 29, 2017
My friend told me how he meet his All Time Favorite escort. He was in an OTC with his CF stripper turned escort, they have known each other for many years. As usual she is taking a long time in the bathroom getting ready, and he has nothing to do and goes in a escort website, and sees pics of a blonde with the same name that his ex-girlfriend.

He texts the girl just out of curiosity, because the ad ask for "afluent, generous, executive gentleman with sense of humor" and said she is "independent" and has an "in call" rate in the high side, but reasonable for Los Angeles.

He sends her a text at 10:30pm asking for an appointment the next day, Tuesday at 8:30pm. She responds with a text proposing 9:30pm. Then he suggests the day after, Wednesday at 8:30pm, she responds OK.

He starts searching the Internet and can't find anything negative or positive about the girl. Then he thinks, "I can cancel tomorrow and no harm done". Tuesday at 2:17pm he gets a text from the girl asking if he would like to go to her place at 8:30pm, he text her back yes and requests the address, she texts the address, he looks in the Internet; it is an apartment building in Beverly Hills, and she texts him "confirm 8:30pm". He texts " confirm 8:30pm".

Now he is thinking about the situation, there has not been mention of screening, references, etc.

1. Could be a police sting. Nothing in the texts is explicit. He knows the Miranda rights and would ask to speak to an attorney and say nothing else.

2. A set up to rob him, he can take care of business, only had been taken down once in his younger years by four guys that jumped him from behind and that was for less than a minute, people came out of a restaurant to see what was going and the guys ran away, he just laughed afterwards.

3. A bait and switch, he is determined to leave if he doesn't find the girl attractive enough.

He decides to go and see if this would be a good alternative to the average encounter he just had.
After work he goes home showers, changes to slacks, long sleeve dress shirt, fancy bolo tie and decides to wear what he calls the "movie overcoat"; a cashmere luxurious black overcoat he got virtually new for pennies on the dollar after a movie wrapped up shooting in Hollywood. He has always received compliments when he wears it, and it is one of those cold nights in Los Angeles.

At 7:45pm he takes off for Beverly Hills, stops at a store to get some mints and sees the discounted Easter gifts and gets a cellophane wrapped 10inch high Teddy Bear with candy for a couple of dollars. A good "I am on my way to see a girlfriend" disguise.

When he arrives to the place, parks in a parking structure across from the apartment building, minutes before 8:30pm, he notices a text from the girl time stamped 8:04pm asking "are you coming at 8:30", he immediately responds "yes I am here", she texts "five minutes, please".

He walks to the front of the building and stands next to the main secured door checking his phone.
A woman a two cute teenage girls open the door, one of the girls is carrying a black chihuahua dog, and a golden retriever is walking behind them the woman invites the gentleman carrying a cellophane wrapped teddy bear gift to go inside and wait in the lobby, and said that the golden retriever is friendly. He smiles at the cute teenage girls and thanks the woman and goes inside, and continues checking his phone. The teens say their goodbyes to the woman and leave. The woman walks inside the lobby, and stops to tell the gentleman "I am sorry to let you know the elevator is not working" they smile at each other and she goes inside.

And old man comes into the lobby and realizes he has to go one more floor down to the parking, and laughs at himself and nods to my friend.

A beautiful blond girl in her early twenties wearing a summer dress comes thru the door, is obvious she lives there, smiles to the gentleman holding a Teddy Bear gift and goes inside. He thinks wow that is a 10 plus anywhere in the world.

My friend keeps checking his phone, 8:39pm gets a text with the apartment number and floor.

He walks towards the staircase, gets to the floor, finds the right number and knocks on the door then notices the ring bell button and presses it.

The door opens, and the beautiful blond he saw in the lobby is smiling in front of him. She hugs him and kisses him on the lips, like a girlfriend welcoming her boyfriend home. She asks "is that for me?" pointing to the teddy bear, and he can only say "yes", he is mesmerized.

She takes his hand and walks him to her bedroom. The apartment is spotless, in the bedroom she thanks him for the Teddy bear and said "I will keep it here on the dresser". She then proceeds to French kiss him for a few minutes. Next she ask him if she can take his coat and proceeds to help him to take it off. As she is doing it she says with a very impressed knowledgeable voice "cashmere" he answers "of course". She takes the coat with great care, gets a hanger, hangs it on the corner and says "I will put it here, OK" showing extreme care.

Cashmere was, for a long time, code for luxury; as early as the Mongolian empire in the 13th century. Some girls know, and this beauty did.

She ask him "would you like to take a 5 minutes shower?". He goes into the very clean bathroom and takes a shower, it really helps him to relax and feel comfortable. He walks out the bathroom and goes into the bedroom to find the blond girl wearing a lace bra, and panties set with a matching garter belt, and a beautiful smile. Very cutely she asks, "are we forgetting something", he immediately goes to get the gift out of his pants pocket and comes back and puts it on top of the dresser. She excuses herself for a minute out of the bedroom and comes back and hugs him and they French kiss for a few minutes. Then she pulls him to the bed where she rests on her back and he proceeds to kiss her all over, paying special attention to the firm beautiful D size naturals. She smiles and either she is the greatest actress in the whole world or she is really enjoying it.

Next he take his middle finger and puts it inside her, she ask him to be gentle and slow, he is, and French kisses her while fingering her, after a few moments she ask him "please use two fingers", he does, she ask him to do the "come hither" finger move and rub her G spot, he does. He is very careful and is paying attention to her reactions, and start to feel a lot of wetness in his hand, she orgasms and shakes so intensely that his fingers come out and then he puts them in again and French kisses her, kisses her boobs, her stomach, her inner thighs...she reaches for his member and tries to return the favor.

After one more orgasm, she thanks him and ask if he is ready for her to please him, he said yes, and he rest on his back and she proceeds to put a cover on him using her mouth. After a few minutes of this with lots of eye contact, he asks her to position herself so he can continue fingering her, she does and seems to enjoy the fingering while blowing him. After one more orgasm she ask him to "please fuck me", she ask for doggie style, he obliges and enjoy the view, spank her and does that for some time and she appears to orgasm one more time. He asks her to turn around and puts her on her back at the edge of the bed, put her legs on his shoulders and fucks her more, he then hugs her tight and French kisses her while going in and out at different speeds, and enjoys her reactions, at one point her vagina tightens, probably involuntarily, because he asks her to do it again and she can't. After a few more minutes he finally explodes.

They kiss and hug some more, he carefully pulls out, after a moment she said "you need another 5 minutes shower?", he said yes, takes a shower. At leaving he tells her "now I believe God exists, because I was praying it would be you when I saw you in the lobby", she said smiling "me too". She ask where are you from, she says smiling "Moscow" they kiss goodbye.
Dec 2004
May '17
8
4
94/24
6/5
April 11, 2017
18
April 29, 2017
When I wrote my article on visiting a strip club for the first time, www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=46476, I included the short paragraph:

“The second thing you should realize is that there are exceptions to everything that goes on in a strip club and everything that someone says about what goes on in a strip club. You won’t necessarily get the same experience someone else got, or even the same experience the next time you go, or even from the same dancer. "

And I got the following comment back from Subraman:

“Definitely true. You could write an entire article about just the many facets of this. The fact that you could find a club that's almost always so-so, and just find the right girl, and it's amazing. The fact -- disputed by some, but nevertheless a fact -- that the girls don't all do the same things for everyone for the same price, and in fact might not even do the same thing for YOU for the same price next time you go.”

So after some thought, I decided to write this article about that very subject.

Regulars
In most clubs regulars get better treatment than the guy who only comes in once in awhile or the first time visitor. This should come as no surprise, but it does to some. Dancers know what to expect from a regular and feel comfortable with him. They know he will spend money and what he expects from them. They don’t have to explain rules or boundaries. They know that they he will be back and that they should treat him well or he won’t bother with them the next time. So, become a regular at a club, even if it is only once a month or once every two months. Try to go in at the same time, or when the same dancers are working. But, even regulars don’t get the same treatment every time they go in and some of the reasons are below.

Money and Tipping
There are lots of things that go into the kind of experience you get in a strip club, including some I don’t know about. I think how you spend your money is one big factor. Dancers like tippers, so I tip. First off, I tip all the dancers when they dance on stage. It is a cheap way to get empathy from the dancers. It acknowledges that you realize that the dancers get at least a portion of their income from dancing on stage and that you want to contribute to their income, even if you don’t want a table or private dance from them Also, it makes the dancers that don’t get tipped a lot appreciate you tipping them and in the same manner, appreciate you. And thirdly, it says to the other dancers I am not just into a pretty face or fancy dance moves. I think many, but not all, dancers appreciate the guy who appreciates other dancers by tipping them and hence, all of the other dancers will treat you better. In some clubs, a tip is expected for extras and I do tip on that. But I don’t for just a great dance. If you have tipped before, dancers will remember and be more generous. But they will expect it again. I am not talking exorbitant tips here, or making it rain.

I also think that tipping the wait staff is important. It builds rapport and also helps them to look the other way if you are doing something with a dancer that is strictly against club rules. The waitress is more likely to ignore what you are doing if you have tipped her. Again, I am not talking exorbitant tips to waitresses here, 15% to 25% is fine. Fifty cents on a six dollar beer is not.

I don’t tip bouncers.

If you spend money on dancers when you visit the club, you will get remembered and your experience is likely to be better next time. You don’t need to spend a lot, dancers like even the small spenders if they are reliable and visit often. You will get treated better than the guy who never buys dances when he comes in or the guy who only buys dances from one dancer and then wants to change favorites. If you intended to have a dance with your favorite but she isn’t there, try out some of the other dancers. They will appreciate you for it. Also, dancers tend to think that a guy who just sits and doesn’t get dances doesn’t want dances so they tend to avoid asking him after awhile. If you get stuck in this rut, just ask a dancer for a dance, don’t wait for them to come to you.

Who is in club
Who is in the club also determines what kind of experience you will get. If the house mother or manager is there and wandering around, things are likely to be stricter than if they are not there. If you know what times these people are not there, you will likely have a better experience, Many do not show up early on day shifts or low traffic days. I remember walking into a club early on a Saturday afternoon and one of my favorites who nearly always gave good dances grabbed me almost as soon as I walked in the door. She whispered in my ear, “The manager is gone and there is no one here to watch the cameras, so we can have a good time in the VIP”. I was leery that this was typical stripper BS, but it seemed like too good an opportunity to pass up. As it turned out it was an excellent opportunity and I had the best dances from that dancer I ever had and some of the best ever. But I never had such a good an experience with that dancer again. It was all timing. Some waitresses and dancers will watch other dancers and tell management when they are doing more than they should. If such a dancer is dancing at the next table, or the waitress waiting tables in your area is known to complain about dancers going too far, this will make your experience poorer. If the dancer hasn’t told you what was going on you would never know, you would just think you had a poor dance from a dancer that had an otherwise good reputation. And dancers are likely not to tell you in fear that you will stop buying dances, which you should, and that the next time you come in you will notice the offending dancer or waitperson in your area and not get dances then. Some dancers will suggest you move or go to the VIP to avoid this. Take the hint. Many, though, will just dial back your experience. There is no real effective way to deal with this, but if you got a poor dance from an otherwise usually good dancer, you may wish to move to a different part of the club with different wait staff or a table with fewer neighboring tables, like in a corner next to a wall.

There is a reluctance on many dancers parts to give great dances to strangers, or someone they have never seen in the club before, or someone who looks like he has never been in the club before. Not much you can do about this, except give the club a second chance and hope that someone recognizes you the second time around. Spending money the first time around helps. When in a new club, I usually sit down and observe for a bit before I get dances so I can see how things are in the club. Notice how tipping is done and follow suit, Things to look for, can you hand money directly to the dancer or do you need to place it on stage, can you touch at the stage, if you stay long at the stage are you expected to tip again, or if tipping is even done on stage or it the dancers walk around to receive a tip. Check to see who is giving the best table dances.See whether people get dances on the floor or in the VIP. See who gives the most VIP dances and how long they last. See if the dancers do anything consistent after the VIP dance, like heading to the bathroom or dressing room to freshen up. I have seen a dancer who gives very good VIP dances head for the hand sanitizer after a VIP session. Look to see if they have wait staff or if you have to get your own drink from the bar. Often dancers will ask if you have been in a club before and part of the reason for this is to make sure that you will not cause trouble. I usually say yes, even if I have not been before. Doing your homework on TUSCL helps to answer this question if it gets pushed further, which it doesn’t usually. If you don’t feel like outright lying, say no, but you have been to other clubs in the area. Again TUSCL is your friend. Or say you have, but it has been a long time.

Law Enforcement
There is also fear that a stranger may be law enforcement; not just vice, but also alcohol control commission. So, don’t act like a cop. Act like yourself, a horny strip club customer. If there is concern that law enforcement/alcohol enforcement is in the club, or is actually in the club, your experience will change a lot, and not for the better. Also, if there is fear that law enforcement may show up, like recent raids on other clubs or tightening of alcohol enforcement, your experience will diminish. Often this occurs shortly before or after local and state elections. There isn’t much to do about this though, except to try another time. Some clubs have signals, like playing a particular song or having the DJ make an announcement . Also, I have been in clubs where the housemother went around and told the dancers that LEO were in the club. So if you hear a suspicious song being played at an odd time, or an odd announcement being made, or someone making the rounds whispering something in the dancer’s ears, there may be law enforcement in the club. The dancers or club management may be reluctant to pass the information on to you as you will likely stop buying dances. At one club I went to the uniformed cops on the beat walked in the club and stood in the back for 10 or 15 minutes every couple of hours. I suppose they were on a break. Similarly, I have seen fire fighters stand in the back of a club, presumably to insure that the fire marshall’s occupancy limit is not exceeded. Those are obviously poor times to get a dance, although the dancer may tell you it doesn’t matter.

Time of visit
In many clubs, there is a big difference in the experience you get between the day shift and the evening/night shift, and between week days and weekends, The day shift is often populated by single mothers eager to make a buck quickly and you will often get a better experience then than with evening shift dancers. The night shift is often populated by prima donnas, who think that they may be doing you a favor by dancing for you and as usually the club is busy during the evening/night shift, they can get away with that attitude. Same with weekends, particularly Sunday afternoons and to a lesser extent Saturday afternoons. Those are slow times and dances are likely to be better. Anytime the club is less populated you are likely to get a better dance as there are fewer customers to make money from. Simple supply and demand. Shift changes and times near closing are also productive for good experiences as dancers who haven’t made as much money as they think they should have that night will stretch the limits to put more money in their wallets. If there is a feature dancer and you don’t care about seeing her, when the feature dancer dances is a good time to get a dance as most of the patrons are there to see the feature and the other dancers get ignored.

The time of month can drive your experience, and not just from a physiological standpoint. The times closer to when bills are due are usually good for a great experience. This is usually, but not always around the first of the month. Since strippers don’t usually plan ahead or budget very well, the days after the rent is due are more productive than those before. There is also a seasonal effect: September, back to school expenses for their kids, December, Christmas presents, and January, paying credit card bills, are all good bets to get a good strip club experience. I once had a stripper tell me that she had just bought $75 in candy for her son’s Easter basket and she needed to make the money to pay for it. Great dance from a normally good dancer followed.

Personalities and Quirks
Well, I am treading on thin ice here, but some dancers can change attitudes or personalities quite drastically. Usually over the course of days, weeks, or months, but sometimes just in hours or minutes. I am no amateur psychologist, but I suppose that not unexpected. People with unstable personalities are not usually good prospects for more typical jobs. Alcohol or drugs are sometimes involved. Not much you can do here, but be aware of it. I had great dances from a dancer if I bought her a drink first. She wasn’t drunk, just a bit uninhibited or grateful for the drink, I could never tell. On the other hand I have had dancers approach me that were high or drunk or both and I doubted that they could stay awake during a dance. Obviously avoid those. I have had poor dances from dancers that were angry, usually with management, husbands, day care, landlords, significant others, you name it. If you don’t know what happened, you would think they are always like that. I had a great dance from a dancer that had just gotten out of jail for a DWI. Just be aware of a dancer’s attitude and go with the one’s that are mellow. I have had great dances from dancers that said I reminded them of an ex-boyfriend, musician, or favorite teacher. I suppose reading up on Freud may help here.

Expectations
It doesn’t hurt to set expectations with a dancer before a dance, particularly a VIP dance. Ask what kind of experience you can expect. Ask why it will be different than the dance on the floor. ask what you can do during the dance and what she will do. If you have specific requests make them before you go VIP. If extras are offered, set a price up front. I try to invest in at least a single dance on the floor with a dancer before I go to the VIP room and try to get in some touching or more during that dance so that the dancer knows that I am open to more. But if you don’t make it clear to the dancer what you want, you are less likely to get it as she is just guessing at what you want and how far you want her to go. Often they guess correctly, but not always. Sometimes they will be hesitant to tell you what to expect, as they are afraid of getting into trouble, or you won’t go if she won’t do what you want, but if you sense it will be a good time otherwise, try her for a single dance and if it isn’t what you want call it quits. You will know better next time.

Hygiene
Hygiene is important. Dancers tend to avoid guys that are dirty or smell.Take a shower before you go and put on clean clothes. Brush your teeth and use mouth wash. Suck on a breathe mint. Similarly they don’t like to rub their bodies on dirty clothes. Or rough clothes for that matter, so don’t go in blue jeans or denim jeans. Common sense should prevail here. And it might not be you, it might be the guy you came in with. I have had dancers tell me that another customer smelled so bad she lied about having to go on stage to avoid giving him a second dance.

I am sure that I have missed a few points, but there are enough here to ponder for awhile. Also, I just forgot, some reviewers on TUSCL stretch the truth a bit, so they may not have had the experience they said they had.
Jan 2013
Mar '17
2
0
3/2
0/2
April 11, 2017
13
May 4, 2017
This is just a free form, stream of conscious, random list of things I hate at the club.

WHEN SERVER ASKS IF YOU WANT TO BUY A DANCER A DRINK
Ugh. This is a lose-lose moment to me. I do not mind buying a dancer a drink if it is someone I am already planning to spend money on, or if I am currently engaged and enjoying their company. But when it's a situation where you have barely started talking, or if you are about to get a dance and you aren't sure how you feel about the girl yet, it is so annoying. If you do not want to buy the dancer the drink, you have two choices. Choice 1. You buy her the drink. Which is annoying. I only bring cash to the strip club. I'm not a crazy baller. I prefer to save my money for dances and tips. Now I am out $10 or more so the stripper can have a shitty drink. And I have had strippers tell me stories about how they tell servers to bring them non-alcoholic drinks because they don't want to drink every night, so that is always on my mind, too. I just feel like a total chump after feeling pressured to buy a drink I didn't want to buy. Choice 2. Don't buy the drink. God. Now you look like a total cheapskate. It is such an awkward moment. My pride is too great. I almost always cave and buy the drink when asked. My strategy is to cut off the server and be like, "I'm okay, I don't need a drink." But some are just cutthroat and will ask, "How about for the lady?" That is the worst.

WHEN A DANCER SAYS SHE WILL FIND YOU AFTER DANCING ON STAGE AND DISAPPEARS
My most frequented club has been Babydolls in Dallas. I usually use the stages as a testing ground to find the right girl. Then I tip the girl and tell her to find me when she is done with her stages. I would say probably more than half the time, I never see the girl again. Sometimes, it's fascinating. It's not that I will see them later. Often, they just totally vanish. It's annoying and frustrating. It's also curious when I tell them I want to buy a dance from them that they make no effort to come find me. I always assume they are with a regular in VIP or something.

GIRLS WHO PUSH VIP
I can't speak for every club, but in my opinion, at a place like Babydolls, VIP is so unnecessary. You can get extremely good mileage with a regular dance. So when a dancer starts trying to hustle for VIP, I find it annoying. I don't mind her asking. That's cool. But if she keeps pushing, It is obnoxious. The other day, a girl sat in my lap and talked me up for a good 15 minutes. She was flirty and fun. I wanted a dance from her. She asked me to go VIP. I said I wasn't going to be there long enough to do VIP. I told her I was only staying another 10-15 minutes. She thought this over. And she said, "Yeah, I guess that's not enough time to do VIP." I said, "Do you only do VIP?" And she said, "Yeah. Okay, well it was nice talking to you." Got up and left. My mind was blown. She was super nice about it too. I thought she was going to be pissy for sitting in my lap and letting me rub on her ass the whole time. But she was chill. Just wasn't interested in doing a couple dances and would rather hustle for more VIP..

GIRLS WHO TRY TO HAVE DIFFERENT PRICES
I got a dance from this girl once. It was okay. Just average. She then tried to tell me her dances were $40 a dance. I told her, "I've been here before, and I have never paid that." She said, blah blah, all the girls are contract and have different rates. I may be a sucker when it comes to buying a girl a drink, but I am not going to be hustled for money I don't owe you. I told this girl, "Okay. Well. I am going to give you $20." And she tried to be all coy and was like, "Well, you could at least give me $30." I said, "Well. I am going to give you $20." She relented and said something dumb like, "Listen, I'm not going to get management involved because I don't feel like it, but fine, you can do $20 this time." I was like, "You can call management if you want. But you are only getting $20." Thankfully, that RARELY happens to me.

All that being said, Goddamn, I do love strip clubs so much.
Nov 2014
May '17
4
2
8/8
64/4
April 11, 2017
3
April 12, 2017
This is a review of a new lapdance party in NYC. I'm not gonna fuck around trying to add it to TUSCL as a club since it is a faux-underground club and I am probably going to be the only PL to ever review it. This LD party has been mentioned already at www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=48347 . CLVT seems to have started in Jan 2017. It is a near clone of Lido business model wise. Coat check $5. Cover is $20 before 10 PM, $40 after. The venue is a restaurant in midtown. CLVT operates at the same place 4 days a week. On 1 day a week, another more popular roving LD party operates at the place. I strongly suspect the restaurant owner learned the business model of a LD party after hosting one and is trying to do it himself instead letting a promoter/LD party owner take profit.

At this particular venue, for all LD parties, CLVT and the mainstream one, you have to walk through an open to the public area, with no public customers being aware what is going on in the back room. You wont be stopped and asked going to the back by any of the public side employees of venue. Officially, entry is 3 ways, daily changing "password" SVT/MN style, business card (Lido has them, I didnt ask the CLVT doorman for one), or show email newsletter Lido/Die Happy style. In real life, it was so dead, anyone who walked upto him, he knows what you there for, no need to play games, just say "is this CLVT?" and he said welcome. Signing up for the newsletter is the typical LD party application form, name, age, FB link, boxes for all LD parties. I gave it a phone number as "0". I was still added to the ML.

At this restaurant, when the popular LD party is there, men/customers arent allowed to use the private area single user bathrooms, those are reserved for dancers. And LD customers must go into the public area and use those public area single user bathrooms, usually forming a line. At CLVT, since it was so dead, I just used the private area single user bathrooms, each of which had an 8x11 sheet taped to the door that said women. Waste of calories to hoof it to the public side of the restaurant. Nobody is going to stop me. Im not making any dancers wait on line anyways.

The LD party staff consists of 2 bouncers and 1 doorman/cover cashier. Note when visiting the mainstream LD party at the restaurant, on the one day that CLVT ISNT open, the CLVT staff are physically at the mainstream LD party but are just hanging out doing nothing. They are probably the day to day restaurant staff. They wouldn't tell me why they are there at a non-CLVT night when I approached them. But otherwise nothing negative to say about my interactions with them on my CLVT visit. Soda is $7, same as the other LD party at the venue. The bartender's soda gun doesn't have Diet Coke so there was unprofessional drama of her having to goto the basement of the restaurant and get 12 oz cans of it instead of keeping it at the bar. When this venue is used for the mainstream LD party, there was a couple sternos of food placed out for the 100+ ppl at the LD party (strippers+customers). No food at CLVT. Wouldnt make sense for 5 ppl in the room. There was a "communal" hookah set up in the corner and strippers and staff were taking hits, not knowing protocol (if I'd be charged for it), I declined when offered.

I was the only customer when I came at 9pm. There were 3 girls. Around 930PM another very old very fat very rich PL came. I left around 10PM he was still there. From my breif interactions with that PL, he has been here before, but he was the type that he was completly hiding here from everyone else in his life, so he was very curt. Of the girls, 1 mixed race, 1 dark italian skinny with big nat tits, 1 skinny bimbo blonde with fake tits. Both the italian and the bimbo have poledancing club backgrounds. I didn't interact with the mixed race girl. The 2 girls attitude for talking was excellent but I strongly got the Manhattan strip club vibe, not the LD party vibe from both. These 2 were not "college girls" (they were age wise tho) who responded to a "modeling ad" on CL and have no preconcived notions of what a SC is. They were programmed to be Manhattan poledancers.

LDs were very good grinding, some mileage, but both quickly in the 1st song verbally shut down anything high mileage on their own intiative. Manhattan poledancer vibe, reminds me of Sapphire. I stopped at 1-2 songs with each since this wasn't going to be a Lido or Masked Nights experiance. LDs were done behind Shoji room dividers. I dont belive the room dividers are ever moved between CLVT and its competitor at this venue. Unlike the other LD party, a bouncer wasn't standing in the LD area watching me and the other PL, so this LD party might have high mileage assuming the right girls work there. At one point I got half a song free because of a music problem and a cut off song and 10 seconds of silence. Slightly unprofessionaly that that happened.

Overall, competition is always good, this LD party is basically dead (or "new"), but the girls are NOT bottom of barrel. There are hiring standards here. Since there is nobody here but you and her, she can't really run off to another PL, or run off and huddle in a corner of disinterested strippers on their phones ignoring you. You will get a really hot girl, with alot of chatting, for very few songs. I'll come back in a few weeks, preferably as late in the week as possible, and see if anything changed mileage or girl count wise.

Come here if you already know all the girls and burned through them at SVT/MN/DH/LDR or you dont want your girl to run after "dances are done", because there is nobody else to run too.
Sep 2005
May '17
10
8
227/59
87/5
March 23, 2017
12
April 23, 2017
"You have good pussy eating lips." These sweet "SS" words emanated from a naturally buxom athletic build gymnast dancer. I was at an OBT area club in Orlando. No, I didn't eat her pussy. We had a make out session so long as I kept buying overpriced drinks. Besides expressing her opinion of my lips, she mentioned that she'd danced at Mons Venus in Tampa, and how it allowed much more contact than the club we were in. This was the late 80's, and I'd been hearing good stuff about Mons Venus lately. Several months prior to this, I encountered a hot blonde dancing at "Pirates Den" in Key West. I thought "if these 2 dancers are typical for Mons Venus, this is a club that I must go to." This coupled with several Miami club patrons saying that Mons Venus was wilder than the Miami clubs had me put Tampa on my vacation bucket list for next year.

EARLY 90s

Finally in early 1990, I spend my week vacation in Tampa. I approached first visit with eager anticipation. Parking lot was sparse then as now, but I managed to find a spot on this afternoon visit. As I best recall, cover charge was $10 back then. Even though off peak hour, I got a bit of sensory overload. There were 2 dancers on stage, and WOW, they were naked, and would rub their tits over you. Although no dancer was as eye popping as the Key West hottie a few years back, neither were they painful on the eyes. There were no fatties or fuglies, I'd peg dancer attractiveness overall as being slightly below Bare Elegance - LAX, Shotgun Willies- Denver, but better than a lot of mid-tier clubs elsewhere in CA, TX, and the Midwest. I recall being taken aback by the aggressive hustle of the dancers. Individual lapdances were $20, with 3 for $50 being touted. This price structure lasted throughout the 90's, though the cover charge inched its way up to present day $20 in multiple stages.

Some perspective is in order. Circa 1990, virtually nobody offered nude contact lapdances. Not Los Angeles ( Options were light contact bikini, or private stage nude air dance, $10 per song for later). Not Miami/ Ft. Lauderdale (options were nude dance on portable stool in front of you, or limited 2 way contact bikini dance in a few topless clubs.) Not in TX (several cities were no touch, Austin and probably Houston had one way contact). Not in Tri-State (OH, IN, KY). The few nude clubs there were no contact, air dances. Ditto for many topless/bikini clubs. Not in DC (Still true today- nude, no contact.)

With all this as a backdrop, I was working to wrap my finger (no pun intended) around the concept of nude dances where a naked female would grind on your lap, and let you fondle her tits. On this short vacation (I had other things besides Mons Venus visit on my agenda.), I managed 3 visits to Mons Venus (2 afternoon, 1 evening), plus 1 evening visit to 2001 Odyssey across the street. Later in the year, I'd manage 2 weekend trips to Tampa. It took the second weekend visit to get past the (then) very high hustle factor at both clubs. Ditto for the lapdances conducted in open back walls of club.

As the 90's rolled on, the already attractive dancers became more so and numerous. Mons still had a cutting edge feel to it, but I noticed more mainstream, and accepting things happening. About 1995 or so was when I first saw the Mons Venus calendars available for sale. (I still have some of them.) Pictures were mostly, if not all nude, with a few personal fill ins from dancers. (favorite color, sexual fantasy, etc.) Mons Venus (along with Bare Elegance-LAX, Cheetahs- Atlanta, Scores - NYC, and several others) were featured in a 1997 Playboy Magazine Special Issue on Gentlemen's Clubs and Exotic Dancers/ Strippers. Alas, I never met the Mons Venus dancer who was featured. (I did meet one of the Bare Elegance dancers featured, but that's another story.) I can confirm that at least one dancer from that era was featured in a Men's oriented magazine (Tabitha Tigress in "Leg Show".) There were probably others from that era with pictorial features to their credit, but I wasn't going to let that be a deal maker/breaker.

The Mons Venus dressing room was featured in Playboy special, which showed 2 dancers eating from a fruit tray. It mentioned that owner was health conscious, and provided fruit tray rather than junk food snack machine for dancers to snack on. Recent conversations with dancers confirm that this feature still exists to this day. At about the same time, Mons Venus instituted a no smoking policy long before any non smoking ordinances were passed.

ON THE THRESHOLD OF A NEW MILLENNIUM

1999- With this year as a snapshot, Mons Venus was looking great. More and more attractive dancers were choosing to ply their wares there. With being the local leader in the non smoking policy, One could enjoy interaction with scores of beautiful women without choking on smoke. If you visited club on a Friday or Saturday night, you needed to claim a stage side seat by 830pm, or you weren't going to get a seat. Crowds were SRO, 3 deep by 1030pm. Day shift could be characterized as the best kept secret. There were smaller crowds, more laid back, but no real drop off of dancer attractiveness. Afternoon shift wouldn't have the college age hotties of the weekend, but a good sampling of well toned, more mature Milf's in the sweet spot (for me anyway) 25 to 32 age bracket. On my vacations to FL, I'd cut my daytime activities to make room for the day shift.

On a business trip to Central FL in late 1999, there were signs of a dark cloud looming on the horizon. A local paper ran an article on a "6 Foot Ordinance", and how it was going to be more vigorously enforced in the coming months. The new year (and millennium) was going to be a new era. During my trips there in early 2000, things were quiet with business pretty much as usual. Some changes in my work schedule resulted in nearly a year absence from Central FL trips. During that absence, the raids started, with several arrests made. A wait staff cutie that I spoke with after my return in 2001 told of some SWAT style raids there.

With that, I'll conclude Part 1. Part 2 will be in a follow on article, going from 2001 raid adjustment era, to the return of business as usual (more or less) shortly following 911, and leading up to today.
Jan 2010
May '17
5
1
24/11
0/1
March 23, 2017
19
April 25, 2017
I've seen many comments at strip club patron websites involving the decline of strip clubs. By this is meant declining numbers of clubs, visitors to clubs, and very attractive girls working in clubs.This is something I've seen myself as a twenty year veteran of Indianapolis strip clubs. Many of the comments I see involve the girls and customers having other options with the rise of the internet and sex related sites. I agree on that but I also think there are underlying societal trends as expressed in the legal environment that is influencing the decline.

I'll use as a concrete example three clubs on the east side of Indy on Pendleton Pike: Babes, PT'S and Harem House. As a comparison I'll take the local medium priced restaurant business. Strip clubs and medium priced restaurants both have a clientele with at least some money. Twenty years ago when these three clubs opened this was a fairly middle class part of town. On a Friday or Saturday night these three clubs were packed with local customers with money to spend. This opportunity to make money drew attractive dancers into the clubs to work. During this same period there were also several medium priced restaurants in the area that also were crowded on a Friday or Saturday night and made good profits.

Like most cities, over the ensuing twenty years middle class people slowly moved further out and were replaced in the area by poorer people. The business in the local restaurants slowly declined and they closed down, one by one. Only the cheap fast food places survived. While this happened, many new restaurants opened up a little further out of town where the customers were now living. The local strip clubs saw a decline in customers with money to spend too. Unlike the restaurants, though, they didn't shut down with new replacements opening up where the customers now were. A lot of their remaining business came from guys driving in from the suburbs. The numbers of these guys have declined over time. I used to live near these clubs. I moved further away but because of previously living near them and them being fairly good quality, I developed a strip club habit. A younger guy in a suburb now will be less likely to develop the strip club habit because there are no suburban clubs by him like there was for me twenty years ago. He'll have to make a longer drive. If he makes that drive to these three clubs, he'll see it's an area that isn't very safe. A lot of the customers in the club will be low class local hoodlum types he doesn't feel safe around. After being open for 20 years, the clubs will be a little run down. With fewer guys with money to spend, the clubs will attract less attractive dancers so the girls there won't look very good.

This doesn't create a very tempting environment that will draw in customers and get them to drive in. Now the question is, why didn't the clubs follow the restaurant example I mentioned above? Unlike restaurants, there have been increasing legal roadblocks set up to thwart new clubs opening. There hasn't been a new club open locally here for twenty years. The local government uses a combination of licensing laws and zoning laws to block new clubs. A new club tried to open in the suburban Castleton area. Zoning laws were used to shut it down. A local Mexican nightclub started having strippers to serve the growing Mexican immigrant population. It was raided by the police and shut down for not having a license. "We don't need no stinkin' license." Yes, you do. Can you get a license? No way Jose! The existing clubs are also being hit with more regulations. The pasties police are more on the prowl, ready to fine girls with exposed nipples. Politicians respond to their constituents and this oppressive legal environment is going along with what the public wants. We've gone through three periods over the last sixty years. Up to the 1960's, women were seen as someone to be protected in a paternalistic way, with their choices restricted to housewife or a conservative traditional female field like nursing or elementary school teacher. They were also encouraged to keep their sexuality subdued. They were to dress and act conservatively. Then, with the first wave of feminism, there was a belief that women should be free to make choices about what careers to follow. This allowed women who wanted to be strippers to go in that field. When conservatives tried to shut down clubs or prevent them from opening, they were met with resistance for the first time by liberals and feminists.

Now, though, I think we've entered a second and much different wave of feminism. The current wave of feminism thinks women should be more like men and go in male career fields. Stripping is mostly a female field so women wanting to do that don't get support. Movies are made about black women becoming NASA mathematicians and being portrayed as heroic but no movie will be made portraying any black woman going into stripping as doing something worthwhile. Just imagine, if all the strippers were men then everyone would be agitating to let women do it too but that's not the case. Some feminists have even gone further and are now actively hostile to strip clubs. They involve women trying to please men and you don't want that. They involve men looking at and treating women as sex objects and that's politically incorrect. So now when the local bible thumping conservatives try to prevent new strip clubs from opening, they find themselves with liberal feminists joining them. These strange bedfellows are combining to shut down the strip club industry and are slowly succeeding.
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