New Providence Indoor Prostitution Law

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Being that Providence, RI is a popular hot-spot with quite a few strip clubs, notable Cheaters, Cadillac Loungs, Foxy Lady, Desire etc...it serves to take note of the brand new lar outlawing prostitution behind closed doors.  Prostitution has been legal behind clothes doors for years, including spas, brothels, women's homes, and yes, strip clubs.  Many of the Rhode Island clubs are notorious (coughcheaterscough) for being glorified brothels, where "extra's" can be had for the right price, and anything goes behind closed doors.  

While I myself had no problem with this indoor prostitution being legal, obviously many did, as the new Governor enacted the law.  Essentially many spas have had to shut down, as business has sharply declined due to police crackdowns and workers fearful to return to work.  Ultimately it begs the question, will this hurt the spa industry in Rhode Island, both legitimate and not,.  Was the lack of a prostitution law behind closed doors really that detrimental to the communities and Rhose Island as a whole.  Many strip clubs now will have to take new measures to ensure these kinds of things aren't going on, but let's be honest here, it's probably still going to happen.  If people want to engage in this type of behavior then it's going to happen, they might be more discrete about it, but I don't think it will ever stop completely.

My larger question in regards to Rhode Island strip clubs, is how will they be affected?  No one is foolish enough to think that they will suffer mightily as a result, as strip clubs have and always will be profitable.   But will the crackdown cost them any of the customers who only came for "extra's", will clubs really take extra precaution to abide by the law, or will everything continue as it previously had?  What are your thoughts?


Ultimately, I think the law is a step in the right direction, but merely serves to change public opinion of Rhode Island, but fails to actually make a change on a local level, as much of the activities will probably continue.
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If you take a careful look at the new statute, the definition of prostitution is very broad and covers most of what the Tuscl readers would consider reasonable "extras".  If fact any touching of the genitals with the sexual stimulation as the objective is technically prostitution under the House version of this stature.  It strikes me that (a) the statutes have given vice cops broad discretion to harass the performers and their customers, (b) whatever "consideration" strip club owners have provided these public servants will likely increase and (c) this increased cost of doing business will be passed onto the customer.  Remember we're in RI gentlemen.
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"Essentially many spas have had to shut down, as business has sharply declined due to police crackdowns and workers fearful to return to work."

I haven't heard of any strip clubs closing down yet (although last I heard that dump in downtown Providence, The Sportmans Inn, was in trouble over some shootings there), but Central Health, an AMP that pretty much set the standard for all AMPs in RI IMHO, has apparently closed down.  North Main Street Spa was in trouble as well.  I've yet to check out the Providence Phoenix to see about any more, as it will take a few weeks for the pre-paid AMP ads to be weeded out.

www.projo.com/news/content/PROSTITUTION_LAW_04_11-04-09_JDGB7T3_v7.37cf9cd.html

"My larger question in regards to Rhode Island strip clubs, is how will they be affected?  No one is foolish enough to think that they will suffer mightily as a result, as strip clubs have and always will be profitable.   But will the crackdown cost them any of the customers who only came for 'extra's', will clubs really take extra precaution to abide by the law, or will everything continue as it previously had?  What are your thoughts?"

While LE has said so far that enforcing this new law will not be a top priority for now, I would think that strip clubs would be stupid not to clamp down on "extra" activity immediately.  All it would take is one significant bust to potentially get shutdown by the politicians in RI.

My feeling is that the RI tourist economy will suffer big-time as a result of this new law, at a time when RI can least afford it.  Strippers are already trying to leave the area for places in nearby MA or CT that will tolerate "extra" activity.

BTW, you might get more responses to this post if you put it on the Discussion Board...
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Indoor prostitution was simply not illegal, it was never legal.  The impact on the clubs from the Police has been minimal.  The impact from customers who are afraid has been huge.  Given Providence's history the guys seeking extras are going to be mad, but guys such as myself who want full-contact laps with no extras even offered will benefit as the the less attractive dancers will disappear and the prettier ones will come back.
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It's a well known fact that many men enjoy going o the strip clubs, I don't have to tell any of you that.  Women, on the other hand, are often not as understanding of that fact.  Many of us have girlfriends, wives, or significant others who we care about.  As a result of that, we must walk a delicate line in order to assess whether or not we should tell our significant others of whether or not we are going to a strip club or not.

First, I'm gonna come out and say that I believe (just my opinion) that what she doesn't know won't hurt her.  I don't think that your significant other needs to be told you are going to the strip club to do whatever it is you choose to do there.  Provided this is not an addiction or anything of that nature, and you're not spending money that you don't have, or that was supposed to be for something else.

Reasons not to tell:  From what I've seen, women can be extremely insecure about the most minute things.  Imagine the thoughts that may run through their minds when they find out you'd rather go to the strip club and oogle naked women instead of them.  While you may have justifiable and legitimate reasoning, she won't want to hear it.  Women I have dealt with become extremely defensive, sometimes angry, and sometimes embarassed of me and of themselves.
                                   You are not cheating (provided you're not going for extras or anyhting).  Everyone needs a change of pace once in-a-while, especially those of us who have been in relationships for long periods of time.  You may need to blow off some steam after work, kill time on a business trip,  have some fun with the boys, have some extra dough to burn, or you simply want to see beautiful women, naked.  I'm being simplistic here but I believe that you don't need to tell your significant other regardless of whether shes trustworthy and you telll her everything, I don't feel it's being deceptive to not do so.  It just brings up more conflict when they find out as opposed to you simply going a few times a month or year discretely and on your own time.

Sure, I can see the argument for keeping the relationship honest and open, and there are probably just as many women who do not mind their husbands or boyfriends going to the strip club.  But from what I've experienced, it;s been a big no-no for me.


Hope you all don't hate this article, and it may be boring and pointless, but its just my opinion.

So what do you guys think?

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Here's how this works. Your fellow TUSCLers put together a nominee list of 85 songs that will be cut down to a list of finalists for discussion in the forums. 5 songs will get picked from there. The Strip Club Music HOF discussion thread is here at www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=49342.

Process: Anyone who is a TUSCL member can weigh in on the cutdown to the 10-20 finalists. The way to vote is to submit a list of up to 10 songs from the list below in order of your #1 out to a #10. Your list can be posted on this article, in the discussion thread, or PM'd to wallanon by Sunday, May 21st. The finalists will then get posted back to the discussion thread. If your fav song didn't get nominated, there's always next time.

Nom #, Name of Song, Artist
1, "sex metal barbie", in this moment
2, "pornstar dancing", my darkest days
3, "walk", pantera
4, "super massive black hole", muse
5, "black rose immortal", opeth
6, "girls girls girls", motley crue
7, "pour some sugar on me", def leppard
8, "The Stripper", David Rose & His Orchestra
9, "You Shook Me All Night Long", AC/DC
10, "Thong Song", Sisqo
11, "I'm 'n Luv (Wit a Stripper)", T-Pain feat. Mike Jones
12, "Get Ready For This", 2 Unlimited
13, "Baby Got Back", Sir Mix-A-Lot
14, "Harlem Shake", Baauer
15, "Cherry Pie", Warrant
16, "Seventeen", Winger
17, "No More Tears", Ozzy Osbourne
18, "Stranglehold", Ted Nugent
19, "Running With The Devil", Van Halen
20, "Bad Girlfriend", Theory of a Deadman
21, "Lollipop", Lil Wayne
22, "slip of the lip", Ratt
23, "my lust your fate", burning rain
24, "Low", Flo Rida
25, "Hey Nineteen", Steely Dan
26, "Stroke", Billy Squires
27, "Armageddon It", Def Lepard
28, "Tila In The House", Midnight Leftovers
29, "Gold Digger", Kanye West
30, "Photograph", Def Leppard
31, "Ain't No Fun", Snoop Dogg
32, "She Will", Lil Wayne and Drake
33, "Fresh From Head 2 Toe", Billy Blue
34, "Turn On The Lights", Future
35, "Panda", Desiigner
36, "Trap Queen", Fetty Wap
37, "Next Contestant", Nickelback
38, "Golddigger", Armin van Buuren
39, "Bolero", Ravel
40, "Say It Right", Nelly Furtado
41, "My Girlfriend is a Dancer (Titty Dancer)", Dan Diamond
42, "Pony", Ginuwine
43, "The Sex is Great", Saving Abel
44, "lick it up", Kiss
45, "dance the night away", Van Halen
46, "everybody wants some", Van Halen
47, "girl gets around", Sammy Hagar
48, "legs", ZZ Top
49, "tube snake boogie", ZZ Top
50, "karn evil 9 1st impression part 2", Emerson lake and Palmer
51, "Closer", Nine Inch Nails
52, "Rock Candy", Montrose
53, "Bandz make her dance", Juicy J
54, "Feeling Love", Paula Cole
55, "Can't You Hear Me Knocking", Rolling Stones
56, "Hot Legs", Rod Stewart
57, "Drop Dead Legs", Van Halen
58, "Desire", Meg Myers
59, "The Way You Move", OutKast
60, "Beautiful People", Marilyn Manson
61, "Shakin Hands", Nickelback
62, "You Can Leave Your Hat On", Joe Cocker
63, "Take it Off", Kiss
64, "Free Bird", Lynard Skynard
65, "Get Low", Lil Jon
66, "Dirrty", Christina Aguilera
67, "Crazy Bitch", Buckcherry
68, "American Woman", Lenny Kravitz
69, "Rock You Like a Hurricane", Scorpions
70, "You Can't Touch This", MC Hammer
71, "In the Night", The Weeknd
72, "Something in Your Mouth", Nickelback
73, "Unskinny Bop", Poison
74, "Rockstar", Nickelback
75, "Milkshake", Kelis
76, "Shakin'", Eddie Money
77, "Hair of the Dog", Nazareth
78, "Paradise City", Guns & Roses
79, "Bad Medicine", Bon Jovi
80, "I Hate Myself for Loving You", Joan Jett
81, "Darlin Nikki", Prince
82, "Hells Bells", AC/DC
83, "Oh Yeah", Yello
84, "Pump up the jam", Technotronic
85, "Personal Jesus", Depeche Mode
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So first and foremost, just because it's a black oriented club doesn't mean it is a dive. Second, the only reason why it's called a "Black" club is because of the stereotype that only black men like big booty girls or "thick" women and being that they mostly hire big booty black chicks must mean only black people are meant for the club. That is based on prejudice views that hold no weight. Unfortunately strip club owners make a killing off it so they're not going to bother fighting the stereotype. But if your a tweedy little white adult that like big butts and cannot lie, your more than welcome to the party. Believe or not, they have women of many shape, size and ethnicity.

So unlike one of those high brow"Gentleman's Club", jeans are perfectly acceptable and expected. Come in with a suit looking like you came out of a business meeting, you best hope you are the best looking amongst a sea of bums because the name guy walking through that door with a big gaudy chain on will be quick to take your stripper if he wants to. Not to say all the gaudy chain wearers get the best looking dancers but you just look too out of place and may come off as high nosed and better than thou which no dancer wants to deal with. Your better off with Ed hardy shirt rather than a suit.

To continue the subject, your appearance matters. Contrary to popular belief, unlike your standard clubs, unless you make your presence known or are a serious regular, fat old guys are not the most sought after here. Those that look the coolest can have the best time. I know I just said don't wear a suit, but that doesn't also mean come with a stained T-shirt and super baggy jeans. You have to keep up with the trend or be good looking enough to have your clothes acceptable. Not to say no girl will not give you a dance, but the man with the designer belt and nice watch will do better. Unfair, absolutely but in black clubs there's an odd balance between acceptable and peacocking. Of course muscles and nice abs trumps all but the audimar or the Rolex watch.

Why, because here girls actually do like to have fun. And they have even more fun with a good looking guy. And a young guy. That's right young bucks. Due to stereotypes the young buck walking into this is EXPECTED to have money. And your also expected to be at least marginally good looking. Most other clubs, the young buck may have to work harder but not here. But this also means your held to a higher standard. So good luck with that. At the very least get your shoe game up. Ain't nothing worse for a young brother in these black clubs than having goofy shoes. I remember on a Saturday where there was a line to get in the club, a guy actually got turned away because his Jordans were busted. And this ain't your white collar type strip club either. I was shocked and nervous because I was wearing Levi kicks, but thankfully they were clean. It was also getting pretty packed so that was a thing. Never seen that in a strip club before but hey you learn something new every day.

I shouldn't have to tell you this but booty bouncing is a regular thing here so if you expect less booty shaking and more erotic dancing, your in the wrong club. And prepare to also start your time with a dancer by standing and getting danced on (ass first). In most black clubs however, your just tipping for as long as she dances on you in that position and not the 3-minute payment plan. I have yet to do vip, but depending on location, it can be the same as your regular strip club.

Which moves into our next topic which we love and hate: stage tipping. Don't do. Simple as that. I don't care how cool you want to look in front of the boys because that's all your doing. Fronting for the boys! Do you like boys? No you like women!? Phew me too, got me you got me worried. Making it rain only works for the coolest of people or nobodies that wants to be cool. If you ain't Drake, your not getting pussy stage rain. Just stick to offstage tipping if you must. Otherwise women expect more than just your 20 singles.

Lastly, everyone is there to have a good time. Don't be acting all tough just because a bunch of big strong black men are throwing around their weight and money. And don't be scared just because you may the only white guy or Indian guy in the club. Just smell nice, dress nice (wear chino's if it makes you feel better) and enjoy the company of bootyful women.

I'm sure I forgot a couple things, so if you have any suggestions or questions leave them down below.
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Over the years I have become friendly enough with talent that I've talked to them about the workplace and I thought it would be useful to describe the deals that strippers have with management. Girls that work in clubs, please chime in and elaborate on this.

Nice looking girls who are comfortable being naked and can dance can easily gain employment at clubs except that it isn't considered employment by the club. They are termed independent contractors and, in fact, pay to work there. At one local institution, the girls pay the least if they show up at 3 pm. Every hour after that costs them more to clock in. There is no hourly pay. They keep all their stage tips and floor dance money. However, any time they use a room, they are paying out about 40% to management. Management therefore knows the 60% of VIP costs collected and reports those to IRS and state tax office. This is why girls are always asking for tips. Tips, drinks and OTC are not reported.

There are a lot of people the girls are expected to tip including the DJ, the house Mom (and/or Dad), the floor managers who seat customers, the guys who park cars. Some of these people help the girls, especially at closing time. Others can be pricks. Some of the guys have to dress nice but also don't really get paid by the house.

The dressing thing is pretty interesting. Obviously, we like strippers to look hot and they can't make money if they don't look hot. However, there are a number of rules at clubs that are at the whim of management. Management can specify that particular too much (legal issues) or too little. More of a problem are the shoes. Despite the fact that a girl can look sensational in flats or barefoot and may have knee or foot injuries, she's unlikely going to be able to work without really high heels.

Management puts up signs that say no touching this or that. Obviously, this is to leave the girls holding the bag if there is a bust. The management will claim that they thought they were an air dance establishment and the girl must have been a slut or a hooker.

Whether considered employees or contractors, strippers should be able to obtain health insurance through the affordable care act. Their major tax issue as contractors is that they have to pay self employment tax if they don't have sufficient clothing or gas expenses to offset reported income. Again, this reinforces the non reported piece of stripper income, which is not as likely to be in large bills because it is outside of VIP or is tipped on top of VIP. I would be interested to know whether strippers who have unionized as employees have made shoes an issue or have stuck to the typical issues of compensation. Also, what is the correlation between stripper-friendly workplaces and customer satisfaction?
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Interesting start to an article, I know. I have discovered how to be invisible at a strip club. It's an amazing sensation, sitting, staring at beautiful women sauntering past. One by one, they pass by. Sometimes looking forward, as if they have somewhere to be: sometimes checking their phone, as if they'll make more money on their phone; sometimes checking out the booth or the table next to me; occasionally checking out the table behind me. When I say invisible, I don't mean completely invisible. Magically the waitress can see me and the bouncers politely nod at me. Then, there is the occasional unicorn stripper that looks my way and approaches, but for the most part the girls appear to look right through me.

And I'm sure you're wondering, how can I be invisible at a strip club? Unfortunately it's easier than you'd think. My wife and I are in our 40's and have been going to strip clubs together for the past few years. We started in Vegas, then in our home town, then on vacations. We enjoy our time, as I've shared in previous reviews and discussions. Our m.o. is simple. We typically go early (late evening) and enjoy the shift change from afternoon shift to night shift. When the club has good food, we love our "dinner at the club", and the show is usually more entertaining than people watching at a vanilla restaurant.

I digress. Evidently there are so many strippers that are freaked out by couples that they don't know how to handle themselves,. Childishly, they simply pretend like you're not there. The unicorns have shared with us that some of the girls fear that the wife is there reluctantly; they fear the wife's jealousy, sometimes the husband's jealousy; some just don't know what to do with another girl.

During a recent visit to a strip club, it actually got so bad, we were on the aisle with girls walking by and there was a guy sitting at a table behind us. There were so many girls passing by and just looking the other way. I felt bad for the guy, as if I was "cock-blocking" him. I know what some of you are going to say, you need to be more aggressive and approach the girl you want. We've tried that. Too often we get a girl that doesn't know how to handle a couple and all we get is disappointment.

We've had some, unusual, girls dance for us. Many of whom are not our style. The most unusual, for us, was a goth girl, tattoos, black makeup, definitely not our style. She approached us, excited, and we decided to go along. She was the last dance of the evening that night. She got us so worked up, we immediately left and went back to be together.

We've developed "rules", or ways of detecting whether or not we've found a unicorn. First, and foremost, if the girl approaches me first, we typically do not get dances. It's kind of like "guy code" for girls. Girls should show respect for other girls. The dancers that approach my wife first and get cozy with her, have been the best. Many times they will ask my wife's permission to sit on my lap or question which one of us would like a dance first. Thankfully my wife not only cooks and cleans, but she takes excellent care of me, as well. The unicorn will say that she "loves couples". The best of them will not charge double for a couples dance. When they're giving me a dance, they spend a lot of time looking at my wife. During my dance, they also touch my wife; tits, thigh, hair. They'll take her hand and have her touch them, and many times encourage my wife to touch me (thankfully she doesn't need much encouragement there). When they're dancing for her, they're looking at her, and hands are moving around more freely. For me, that's hot!

So, our invisibility ensues and we endure it. We wait quietly, patiently for the elusive unicorn stripper to wander past us, bringing the joy that only a mythical creature can provide.
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My friend told me how he meet his All Time Favorite escort. He was in an OTC with his CF stripper turned escort, they have known each other for many years. As usual she is taking a long time in the bathroom getting ready, and he has nothing to do and goes in a escort website, and sees pics of a blonde with the same name that his ex-girlfriend.

He texts the girl just out of curiosity, because the ad ask for "afluent, generous, executive gentleman with sense of humor" and said she is "independent" and has an "in call" rate in the high side, but reasonable for Los Angeles.

He sends her a text at 10:30pm asking for an appointment the next day, Tuesday at 8:30pm. She responds with a text proposing 9:30pm. Then he suggests the day after, Wednesday at 8:30pm, she responds OK.

He starts searching the Internet and can't find anything negative or positive about the girl. Then he thinks, "I can cancel tomorrow and no harm done". Tuesday at 2:17pm he gets a text from the girl asking if he would like to go to her place at 8:30pm, he text her back yes and requests the address, she texts the address, he looks in the Internet; it is an apartment building in Beverly Hills, and she texts him "confirm 8:30pm". He texts " confirm 8:30pm".

Now he is thinking about the situation, there has not been mention of screening, references, etc.

1. Could be a police sting. Nothing in the texts is explicit. He knows the Miranda rights and would ask to speak to an attorney and say nothing else.

2. A set up to rob him, he can take care of business, only had been taken down once in his younger years by four guys that jumped him from behind and that was for less than a minute, people came out of a restaurant to see what was going and the guys ran away, he just laughed afterwards.

3. A bait and switch, he is determined to leave if he doesn't find the girl attractive enough.

He decides to go and see if this would be a good alternative to the average encounter he just had.
After work he goes home showers, changes to slacks, long sleeve dress shirt, fancy bolo tie and decides to wear what he calls the "movie overcoat"; a cashmere luxurious black overcoat he got virtually new for pennies on the dollar after a movie wrapped up shooting in Hollywood. He has always received compliments when he wears it, and it is one of those cold nights in Los Angeles.

At 7:45pm he takes off for Beverly Hills, stops at a store to get some mints and sees the discounted Easter gifts and gets a cellophane wrapped 10inch high Teddy Bear with candy for a couple of dollars. A good "I am on my way to see a girlfriend" disguise.

When he arrives to the place, parks in a parking structure across from the apartment building, minutes before 8:30pm, he notices a text from the girl time stamped 8:04pm asking "are you coming at 8:30", he immediately responds "yes I am here", she texts "five minutes, please".

He walks to the front of the building and stands next to the main secured door checking his phone.
A woman a two cute teenage girls open the door, one of the girls is carrying a black chihuahua dog, and a golden retriever is walking behind them the woman invites the gentleman carrying a cellophane wrapped teddy bear gift to go inside and wait in the lobby, and said that the golden retriever is friendly. He smiles at the cute teenage girls and thanks the woman and goes inside, and continues checking his phone. The teens say their goodbyes to the woman and leave. The woman walks inside the lobby, and stops to tell the gentleman "I am sorry to let you know the elevator is not working" they smile at each other and she goes inside.

And old man comes into the lobby and realizes he has to go one more floor down to the parking, and laughs at himself and nods to my friend.

A beautiful blond girl in her early twenties wearing a summer dress comes thru the door, is obvious she lives there, smiles to the gentleman holding a Teddy Bear gift and goes inside. He thinks wow that is a 10 plus anywhere in the world.

My friend keeps checking his phone, 8:39pm gets a text with the apartment number and floor.

He walks towards the staircase, gets to the floor, finds the right number and knocks on the door then notices the ring bell button and presses it.

The door opens, and the beautiful blond he saw in the lobby is smiling in front of him. She hugs him and kisses him on the lips, like a girlfriend welcoming her boyfriend home. She asks "is that for me?" pointing to the teddy bear, and he can only say "yes", he is mesmerized.

She takes his hand and walks him to her bedroom. The apartment is spotless, in the bedroom she thanks him for the Teddy bear and said "I will keep it here on the dresser". She then proceeds to French kiss him for a few minutes. Next she ask him if she can take his coat and proceeds to help him to take it off. As she is doing it she says with a very impressed knowledgeable voice "cashmere" he answers "of course". She takes the coat with great care, gets a hanger, hangs it on the corner and says "I will put it here, OK" showing extreme care.

Cashmere was, for a long time, code for luxury; as early as the Mongolian empire in the 13th century. Some girls know, and this beauty did.

She ask him "would you like to take a 5 minutes shower?". He goes into the very clean bathroom and takes a shower, it really helps him to relax and feel comfortable. He walks out the bathroom and goes into the bedroom to find the blond girl wearing a lace bra, and panties set with a matching garter belt, and a beautiful smile. Very cutely she asks, "are we forgetting something", he immediately goes to get the gift out of his pants pocket and comes back and puts it on top of the dresser. She excuses herself for a minute out of the bedroom and comes back and hugs him and they French kiss for a few minutes. Then she pulls him to the bed where she rests on her back and he proceeds to kiss her all over, paying special attention to the firm beautiful D size naturals. She smiles and either she is the greatest actress in the whole world or she is really enjoying it.

Next he take his middle finger and puts it inside her, she ask him to be gentle and slow, he is, and French kisses her while fingering her, after a few moments she ask him "please use two fingers", he does, she ask him to do the "come hither" finger move and rub her G spot, he does. He is very careful and is paying attention to her reactions, and start to feel a lot of wetness in his hand, she orgasms and shakes so intensely that his fingers come out and then he puts them in again and French kisses her, kisses her boobs, her stomach, her inner thighs...she reaches for his member and tries to return the favor.

After one more orgasm, she thanks him and ask if he is ready for her to please him, he said yes, and he rest on his back and she proceeds to put a cover on him using her mouth. After a few minutes of this with lots of eye contact, he asks her to position herself so he can continue fingering her, she does and seems to enjoy the fingering while blowing him. After one more orgasm she ask him to "please fuck me", she ask for doggie style, he obliges and enjoy the view, spank her and does that for some time and she appears to orgasm one more time. He asks her to turn around and puts her on her back at the edge of the bed, put her legs on his shoulders and fucks her more, he then hugs her tight and French kisses her while going in and out at different speeds, and enjoys her reactions, at one point her vagina tightens, probably involuntarily, because he asks her to do it again and she can't. After a few more minutes he finally explodes.

They kiss and hug some more, he carefully pulls out, after a moment she said "you need another 5 minutes shower?", he said yes, takes a shower. At leaving he tells her "now I believe God exists, because I was praying it would be you when I saw you in the lobby", she said smiling "me too". She ask where are you from, she says smiling "Moscow" they kiss goodbye.
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When I wrote my article on visiting a strip club for the first time, www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=46476, I included the short paragraph:

“The second thing you should realize is that there are exceptions to everything that goes on in a strip club and everything that someone says about what goes on in a strip club. You won’t necessarily get the same experience someone else got, or even the same experience the next time you go, or even from the same dancer. "

And I got the following comment back from Subraman:

“Definitely true. You could write an entire article about just the many facets of this. The fact that you could find a club that's almost always so-so, and just find the right girl, and it's amazing. The fact -- disputed by some, but nevertheless a fact -- that the girls don't all do the same things for everyone for the same price, and in fact might not even do the same thing for YOU for the same price next time you go.”

So after some thought, I decided to write this article about that very subject.

Regulars
In most clubs regulars get better treatment than the guy who only comes in once in awhile or the first time visitor. This should come as no surprise, but it does to some. Dancers know what to expect from a regular and feel comfortable with him. They know he will spend money and what he expects from them. They don’t have to explain rules or boundaries. They know that they he will be back and that they should treat him well or he won’t bother with them the next time. So, become a regular at a club, even if it is only once a month or once every two months. Try to go in at the same time, or when the same dancers are working. But, even regulars don’t get the same treatment every time they go in and some of the reasons are below.

Money and Tipping
There are lots of things that go into the kind of experience you get in a strip club, including some I don’t know about. I think how you spend your money is one big factor. Dancers like tippers, so I tip. First off, I tip all the dancers when they dance on stage. It is a cheap way to get empathy from the dancers. It acknowledges that you realize that the dancers get at least a portion of their income from dancing on stage and that you want to contribute to their income, even if you don’t want a table or private dance from them Also, it makes the dancers that don’t get tipped a lot appreciate you tipping them and in the same manner, appreciate you. And thirdly, it says to the other dancers I am not just into a pretty face or fancy dance moves. I think many, but not all, dancers appreciate the guy who appreciates other dancers by tipping them and hence, all of the other dancers will treat you better. In some clubs, a tip is expected for extras and I do tip on that. But I don’t for just a great dance. If you have tipped before, dancers will remember and be more generous. But they will expect it again. I am not talking exorbitant tips here, or making it rain.

I also think that tipping the wait staff is important. It builds rapport and also helps them to look the other way if you are doing something with a dancer that is strictly against club rules. The waitress is more likely to ignore what you are doing if you have tipped her. Again, I am not talking exorbitant tips to waitresses here, 15% to 25% is fine. Fifty cents on a six dollar beer is not.

I don’t tip bouncers.

If you spend money on dancers when you visit the club, you will get remembered and your experience is likely to be better next time. You don’t need to spend a lot, dancers like even the small spenders if they are reliable and visit often. You will get treated better than the guy who never buys dances when he comes in or the guy who only buys dances from one dancer and then wants to change favorites. If you intended to have a dance with your favorite but she isn’t there, try out some of the other dancers. They will appreciate you for it. Also, dancers tend to think that a guy who just sits and doesn’t get dances doesn’t want dances so they tend to avoid asking him after awhile. If you get stuck in this rut, just ask a dancer for a dance, don’t wait for them to come to you.

Who is in club
Who is in the club also determines what kind of experience you will get. If the house mother or manager is there and wandering around, things are likely to be stricter than if they are not there. If you know what times these people are not there, you will likely have a better experience, Many do not show up early on day shifts or low traffic days. I remember walking into a club early on a Saturday afternoon and one of my favorites who nearly always gave good dances grabbed me almost as soon as I walked in the door. She whispered in my ear, “The manager is gone and there is no one here to watch the cameras, so we can have a good time in the VIP”. I was leery that this was typical stripper BS, but it seemed like too good an opportunity to pass up. As it turned out it was an excellent opportunity and I had the best dances from that dancer I ever had and some of the best ever. But I never had such a good an experience with that dancer again. It was all timing. Some waitresses and dancers will watch other dancers and tell management when they are doing more than they should. If such a dancer is dancing at the next table, or the waitress waiting tables in your area is known to complain about dancers going too far, this will make your experience poorer. If the dancer hasn’t told you what was going on you would never know, you would just think you had a poor dance from a dancer that had an otherwise good reputation. And dancers are likely not to tell you in fear that you will stop buying dances, which you should, and that the next time you come in you will notice the offending dancer or waitperson in your area and not get dances then. Some dancers will suggest you move or go to the VIP to avoid this. Take the hint. Many, though, will just dial back your experience. There is no real effective way to deal with this, but if you got a poor dance from an otherwise usually good dancer, you may wish to move to a different part of the club with different wait staff or a table with fewer neighboring tables, like in a corner next to a wall.

There is a reluctance on many dancers parts to give great dances to strangers, or someone they have never seen in the club before, or someone who looks like he has never been in the club before. Not much you can do about this, except give the club a second chance and hope that someone recognizes you the second time around. Spending money the first time around helps. When in a new club, I usually sit down and observe for a bit before I get dances so I can see how things are in the club. Notice how tipping is done and follow suit, Things to look for, can you hand money directly to the dancer or do you need to place it on stage, can you touch at the stage, if you stay long at the stage are you expected to tip again, or if tipping is even done on stage or it the dancers walk around to receive a tip. Check to see who is giving the best table dances.See whether people get dances on the floor or in the VIP. See who gives the most VIP dances and how long they last. See if the dancers do anything consistent after the VIP dance, like heading to the bathroom or dressing room to freshen up. I have seen a dancer who gives very good VIP dances head for the hand sanitizer after a VIP session. Look to see if they have wait staff or if you have to get your own drink from the bar. Often dancers will ask if you have been in a club before and part of the reason for this is to make sure that you will not cause trouble. I usually say yes, even if I have not been before. Doing your homework on TUSCL helps to answer this question if it gets pushed further, which it doesn’t usually. If you don’t feel like outright lying, say no, but you have been to other clubs in the area. Again TUSCL is your friend. Or say you have, but it has been a long time.

Law Enforcement
There is also fear that a stranger may be law enforcement; not just vice, but also alcohol control commission. So, don’t act like a cop. Act like yourself, a horny strip club customer. If there is concern that law enforcement/alcohol enforcement is in the club, or is actually in the club, your experience will change a lot, and not for the better. Also, if there is fear that law enforcement may show up, like recent raids on other clubs or tightening of alcohol enforcement, your experience will diminish. Often this occurs shortly before or after local and state elections. There isn’t much to do about this though, except to try another time. Some clubs have signals, like playing a particular song or having the DJ make an announcement . Also, I have been in clubs where the housemother went around and told the dancers that LEO were in the club. So if you hear a suspicious song being played at an odd time, or an odd announcement being made, or someone making the rounds whispering something in the dancer’s ears, there may be law enforcement in the club. The dancers or club management may be reluctant to pass the information on to you as you will likely stop buying dances. At one club I went to the uniformed cops on the beat walked in the club and stood in the back for 10 or 15 minutes every couple of hours. I suppose they were on a break. Similarly, I have seen fire fighters stand in the back of a club, presumably to insure that the fire marshall’s occupancy limit is not exceeded. Those are obviously poor times to get a dance, although the dancer may tell you it doesn’t matter.

Time of visit
In many clubs, there is a big difference in the experience you get between the day shift and the evening/night shift, and between week days and weekends, The day shift is often populated by single mothers eager to make a buck quickly and you will often get a better experience then than with evening shift dancers. The night shift is often populated by prima donnas, who think that they may be doing you a favor by dancing for you and as usually the club is busy during the evening/night shift, they can get away with that attitude. Same with weekends, particularly Sunday afternoons and to a lesser extent Saturday afternoons. Those are slow times and dances are likely to be better. Anytime the club is less populated you are likely to get a better dance as there are fewer customers to make money from. Simple supply and demand. Shift changes and times near closing are also productive for good experiences as dancers who haven’t made as much money as they think they should have that night will stretch the limits to put more money in their wallets. If there is a feature dancer and you don’t care about seeing her, when the feature dancer dances is a good time to get a dance as most of the patrons are there to see the feature and the other dancers get ignored.

The time of month can drive your experience, and not just from a physiological standpoint. The times closer to when bills are due are usually good for a great experience. This is usually, but not always around the first of the month. Since strippers don’t usually plan ahead or budget very well, the days after the rent is due are more productive than those before. There is also a seasonal effect: September, back to school expenses for their kids, December, Christmas presents, and January, paying credit card bills, are all good bets to get a good strip club experience. I once had a stripper tell me that she had just bought $75 in candy for her son’s Easter basket and she needed to make the money to pay for it. Great dance from a normally good dancer followed.

Personalities and Quirks
Well, I am treading on thin ice here, but some dancers can change attitudes or personalities quite drastically. Usually over the course of days, weeks, or months, but sometimes just in hours or minutes. I am no amateur psychologist, but I suppose that not unexpected. People with unstable personalities are not usually good prospects for more typical jobs. Alcohol or drugs are sometimes involved. Not much you can do here, but be aware of it. I had great dances from a dancer if I bought her a drink first. She wasn’t drunk, just a bit uninhibited or grateful for the drink, I could never tell. On the other hand I have had dancers approach me that were high or drunk or both and I doubted that they could stay awake during a dance. Obviously avoid those. I have had poor dances from dancers that were angry, usually with management, husbands, day care, landlords, significant others, you name it. If you don’t know what happened, you would think they are always like that. I had a great dance from a dancer that had just gotten out of jail for a DWI. Just be aware of a dancer’s attitude and go with the one’s that are mellow. I have had great dances from dancers that said I reminded them of an ex-boyfriend, musician, or favorite teacher. I suppose reading up on Freud may help here.

Expectations
It doesn’t hurt to set expectations with a dancer before a dance, particularly a VIP dance. Ask what kind of experience you can expect. Ask why it will be different than the dance on the floor. ask what you can do during the dance and what she will do. If you have specific requests make them before you go VIP. If extras are offered, set a price up front. I try to invest in at least a single dance on the floor with a dancer before I go to the VIP room and try to get in some touching or more during that dance so that the dancer knows that I am open to more. But if you don’t make it clear to the dancer what you want, you are less likely to get it as she is just guessing at what you want and how far you want her to go. Often they guess correctly, but not always. Sometimes they will be hesitant to tell you what to expect, as they are afraid of getting into trouble, or you won’t go if she won’t do what you want, but if you sense it will be a good time otherwise, try her for a single dance and if it isn’t what you want call it quits. You will know better next time.

Hygiene
Hygiene is important. Dancers tend to avoid guys that are dirty or smell.Take a shower before you go and put on clean clothes. Brush your teeth and use mouth wash. Suck on a breathe mint. Similarly they don’t like to rub their bodies on dirty clothes. Or rough clothes for that matter, so don’t go in blue jeans or denim jeans. Common sense should prevail here. And it might not be you, it might be the guy you came in with. I have had dancers tell me that another customer smelled so bad she lied about having to go on stage to avoid giving him a second dance.

I am sure that I have missed a few points, but there are enough here to ponder for awhile. Also, I just forgot, some reviewers on TUSCL stretch the truth a bit, so they may not have had the experience they said they had.
Jan 2013
Mar '17
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April 11, 2017
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May 4, 2017
This is just a free form, stream of conscious, random list of things I hate at the club.

WHEN SERVER ASKS IF YOU WANT TO BUY A DANCER A DRINK
Ugh. This is a lose-lose moment to me. I do not mind buying a dancer a drink if it is someone I am already planning to spend money on, or if I am currently engaged and enjoying their company. But when it's a situation where you have barely started talking, or if you are about to get a dance and you aren't sure how you feel about the girl yet, it is so annoying. If you do not want to buy the dancer the drink, you have two choices. Choice 1. You buy her the drink. Which is annoying. I only bring cash to the strip club. I'm not a crazy baller. I prefer to save my money for dances and tips. Now I am out $10 or more so the stripper can have a shitty drink. And I have had strippers tell me stories about how they tell servers to bring them non-alcoholic drinks because they don't want to drink every night, so that is always on my mind, too. I just feel like a total chump after feeling pressured to buy a drink I didn't want to buy. Choice 2. Don't buy the drink. God. Now you look like a total cheapskate. It is such an awkward moment. My pride is too great. I almost always cave and buy the drink when asked. My strategy is to cut off the server and be like, "I'm okay, I don't need a drink." But some are just cutthroat and will ask, "How about for the lady?" That is the worst.

WHEN A DANCER SAYS SHE WILL FIND YOU AFTER DANCING ON STAGE AND DISAPPEARS
My most frequented club has been Babydolls in Dallas. I usually use the stages as a testing ground to find the right girl. Then I tip the girl and tell her to find me when she is done with her stages. I would say probably more than half the time, I never see the girl again. Sometimes, it's fascinating. It's not that I will see them later. Often, they just totally vanish. It's annoying and frustrating. It's also curious when I tell them I want to buy a dance from them that they make no effort to come find me. I always assume they are with a regular in VIP or something.

GIRLS WHO PUSH VIP
I can't speak for every club, but in my opinion, at a place like Babydolls, VIP is so unnecessary. You can get extremely good mileage with a regular dance. So when a dancer starts trying to hustle for VIP, I find it annoying. I don't mind her asking. That's cool. But if she keeps pushing, It is obnoxious. The other day, a girl sat in my lap and talked me up for a good 15 minutes. She was flirty and fun. I wanted a dance from her. She asked me to go VIP. I said I wasn't going to be there long enough to do VIP. I told her I was only staying another 10-15 minutes. She thought this over. And she said, "Yeah, I guess that's not enough time to do VIP." I said, "Do you only do VIP?" And she said, "Yeah. Okay, well it was nice talking to you." Got up and left. My mind was blown. She was super nice about it too. I thought she was going to be pissy for sitting in my lap and letting me rub on her ass the whole time. But she was chill. Just wasn't interested in doing a couple dances and would rather hustle for more VIP..

GIRLS WHO TRY TO HAVE DIFFERENT PRICES
I got a dance from this girl once. It was okay. Just average. She then tried to tell me her dances were $40 a dance. I told her, "I've been here before, and I have never paid that." She said, blah blah, all the girls are contract and have different rates. I may be a sucker when it comes to buying a girl a drink, but I am not going to be hustled for money I don't owe you. I told this girl, "Okay. Well. I am going to give you $20." And she tried to be all coy and was like, "Well, you could at least give me $30." I said, "Well. I am going to give you $20." She relented and said something dumb like, "Listen, I'm not going to get management involved because I don't feel like it, but fine, you can do $20 this time." I was like, "You can call management if you want. But you are only getting $20." Thankfully, that RARELY happens to me.

All that being said, Goddamn, I do love strip clubs so much.
Nov 2014
May '17
4
2
8/8
64/4
April 11, 2017
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April 12, 2017
This is a review of a new lapdance party in NYC. I'm not gonna fuck around trying to add it to TUSCL as a club since it is a faux-underground club and I am probably going to be the only PL to ever review it. This LD party has been mentioned already at www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=48347 . CLVT seems to have started in Jan 2017. It is a near clone of Lido business model wise. Coat check $5. Cover is $20 before 10 PM, $40 after. The venue is a restaurant in midtown. CLVT operates at the same place 4 days a week. On 1 day a week, another more popular roving LD party operates at the place. I strongly suspect the restaurant owner learned the business model of a LD party after hosting one and is trying to do it himself instead letting a promoter/LD party owner take profit.

At this particular venue, for all LD parties, CLVT and the mainstream one, you have to walk through an open to the public area, with no public customers being aware what is going on in the back room. You wont be stopped and asked going to the back by any of the public side employees of venue. Officially, entry is 3 ways, daily changing "password" SVT/MN style, business card (Lido has them, I didnt ask the CLVT doorman for one), or show email newsletter Lido/Die Happy style. In real life, it was so dead, anyone who walked upto him, he knows what you there for, no need to play games, just say "is this CLVT?" and he said welcome. Signing up for the newsletter is the typical LD party application form, name, age, FB link, boxes for all LD parties. I gave it a phone number as "0". I was still added to the ML.

At this restaurant, when the popular LD party is there, men/customers arent allowed to use the private area single user bathrooms, those are reserved for dancers. And LD customers must go into the public area and use those public area single user bathrooms, usually forming a line. At CLVT, since it was so dead, I just used the private area single user bathrooms, each of which had an 8x11 sheet taped to the door that said women. Waste of calories to hoof it to the public side of the restaurant. Nobody is going to stop me. Im not making any dancers wait on line anyways.

The LD party staff consists of 2 bouncers and 1 doorman/cover cashier. Note when visiting the mainstream LD party at the restaurant, on the one day that CLVT ISNT open, the CLVT staff are physically at the mainstream LD party but are just hanging out doing nothing. They are probably the day to day restaurant staff. They wouldn't tell me why they are there at a non-CLVT night when I approached them. But otherwise nothing negative to say about my interactions with them on my CLVT visit. Soda is $7, same as the other LD party at the venue. The bartender's soda gun doesn't have Diet Coke so there was unprofessional drama of her having to goto the basement of the restaurant and get 12 oz cans of it instead of keeping it at the bar. When this venue is used for the mainstream LD party, there was a couple sternos of food placed out for the 100+ ppl at the LD party (strippers+customers). No food at CLVT. Wouldnt make sense for 5 ppl in the room. There was a "communal" hookah set up in the corner and strippers and staff were taking hits, not knowing protocol (if I'd be charged for it), I declined when offered.

I was the only customer when I came at 9pm. There were 3 girls. Around 930PM another very old very fat very rich PL came. I left around 10PM he was still there. From my breif interactions with that PL, he has been here before, but he was the type that he was completly hiding here from everyone else in his life, so he was very curt. Of the girls, 1 mixed race, 1 dark italian skinny with big nat tits, 1 skinny bimbo blonde with fake tits. Both the italian and the bimbo have poledancing club backgrounds. I didn't interact with the mixed race girl. The 2 girls attitude for talking was excellent but I strongly got the Manhattan strip club vibe, not the LD party vibe from both. These 2 were not "college girls" (they were age wise tho) who responded to a "modeling ad" on CL and have no preconcived notions of what a SC is. They were programmed to be Manhattan poledancers.

LDs were very good grinding, some mileage, but both quickly in the 1st song verbally shut down anything high mileage on their own intiative. Manhattan poledancer vibe, reminds me of Sapphire. I stopped at 1-2 songs with each since this wasn't going to be a Lido or Masked Nights experiance. LDs were done behind Shoji room dividers. I dont belive the room dividers are ever moved between CLVT and its competitor at this venue. Unlike the other LD party, a bouncer wasn't standing in the LD area watching me and the other PL, so this LD party might have high mileage assuming the right girls work there. At one point I got half a song free because of a music problem and a cut off song and 10 seconds of silence. Slightly unprofessionaly that that happened.

Overall, competition is always good, this LD party is basically dead (or "new"), but the girls are NOT bottom of barrel. There are hiring standards here. Since there is nobody here but you and her, she can't really run off to another PL, or run off and huddle in a corner of disinterested strippers on their phones ignoring you. You will get a really hot girl, with alot of chatting, for very few songs. I'll come back in a few weeks, preferably as late in the week as possible, and see if anything changed mileage or girl count wise.

Come here if you already know all the girls and burned through them at SVT/MN/DH/LDR or you dont want your girl to run after "dances are done", because there is nobody else to run too.
Sep 2005
May '17
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8
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87/5
March 23, 2017
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April 23, 2017
"You have good pussy eating lips." These sweet "SS" words emanated from a naturally buxom athletic build gymnast dancer. I was at an OBT area club in Orlando. No, I didn't eat her pussy. We had a make out session so long as I kept buying overpriced drinks. Besides expressing her opinion of my lips, she mentioned that she'd danced at Mons Venus in Tampa, and how it allowed much more contact than the club we were in. This was the late 80's, and I'd been hearing good stuff about Mons Venus lately. Several months prior to this, I encountered a hot blonde dancing at "Pirates Den" in Key West. I thought "if these 2 dancers are typical for Mons Venus, this is a club that I must go to." This coupled with several Miami club patrons saying that Mons Venus was wilder than the Miami clubs had me put Tampa on my vacation bucket list for next year.

EARLY 90s

Finally in early 1990, I spend my week vacation in Tampa. I approached first visit with eager anticipation. Parking lot was sparse then as now, but I managed to find a spot on this afternoon visit. As I best recall, cover charge was $10 back then. Even though off peak hour, I got a bit of sensory overload. There were 2 dancers on stage, and WOW, they were naked, and would rub their tits over you. Although no dancer was as eye popping as the Key West hottie a few years back, neither were they painful on the eyes. There were no fatties or fuglies, I'd peg dancer attractiveness overall as being slightly below Bare Elegance - LAX, Shotgun Willies- Denver, but better than a lot of mid-tier clubs elsewhere in CA, TX, and the Midwest. I recall being taken aback by the aggressive hustle of the dancers. Individual lapdances were $20, with 3 for $50 being touted. This price structure lasted throughout the 90's, though the cover charge inched its way up to present day $20 in multiple stages.

Some perspective is in order. Circa 1990, virtually nobody offered nude contact lapdances. Not Los Angeles ( Options were light contact bikini, or private stage nude air dance, $10 per song for later). Not Miami/ Ft. Lauderdale (options were nude dance on portable stool in front of you, or limited 2 way contact bikini dance in a few topless clubs.) Not in TX (several cities were no touch, Austin and probably Houston had one way contact). Not in Tri-State (OH, IN, KY). The few nude clubs there were no contact, air dances. Ditto for many topless/bikini clubs. Not in DC (Still true today- nude, no contact.)

With all this as a backdrop, I was working to wrap my finger (no pun intended) around the concept of nude dances where a naked female would grind on your lap, and let you fondle her tits. On this short vacation (I had other things besides Mons Venus visit on my agenda.), I managed 3 visits to Mons Venus (2 afternoon, 1 evening), plus 1 evening visit to 2001 Odyssey across the street. Later in the year, I'd manage 2 weekend trips to Tampa. It took the second weekend visit to get past the (then) very high hustle factor at both clubs. Ditto for the lapdances conducted in open back walls of club.

As the 90's rolled on, the already attractive dancers became more so and numerous. Mons still had a cutting edge feel to it, but I noticed more mainstream, and accepting things happening. About 1995 or so was when I first saw the Mons Venus calendars available for sale. (I still have some of them.) Pictures were mostly, if not all nude, with a few personal fill ins from dancers. (favorite color, sexual fantasy, etc.) Mons Venus (along with Bare Elegance-LAX, Cheetahs- Atlanta, Scores - NYC, and several others) were featured in a 1997 Playboy Magazine Special Issue on Gentlemen's Clubs and Exotic Dancers/ Strippers. Alas, I never met the Mons Venus dancer who was featured. (I did meet one of the Bare Elegance dancers featured, but that's another story.) I can confirm that at least one dancer from that era was featured in a Men's oriented magazine (Tabitha Tigress in "Leg Show".) There were probably others from that era with pictorial features to their credit, but I wasn't going to let that be a deal maker/breaker.

The Mons Venus dressing room was featured in Playboy special, which showed 2 dancers eating from a fruit tray. It mentioned that owner was health conscious, and provided fruit tray rather than junk food snack machine for dancers to snack on. Recent conversations with dancers confirm that this feature still exists to this day. At about the same time, Mons Venus instituted a no smoking policy long before any non smoking ordinances were passed.

ON THE THRESHOLD OF A NEW MILLENNIUM

1999- With this year as a snapshot, Mons Venus was looking great. More and more attractive dancers were choosing to ply their wares there. With being the local leader in the non smoking policy, One could enjoy interaction with scores of beautiful women without choking on smoke. If you visited club on a Friday or Saturday night, you needed to claim a stage side seat by 830pm, or you weren't going to get a seat. Crowds were SRO, 3 deep by 1030pm. Day shift could be characterized as the best kept secret. There were smaller crowds, more laid back, but no real drop off of dancer attractiveness. Afternoon shift wouldn't have the college age hotties of the weekend, but a good sampling of well toned, more mature Milf's in the sweet spot (for me anyway) 25 to 32 age bracket. On my vacations to FL, I'd cut my daytime activities to make room for the day shift.

On a business trip to Central FL in late 1999, there were signs of a dark cloud looming on the horizon. A local paper ran an article on a "6 Foot Ordinance", and how it was going to be more vigorously enforced in the coming months. The new year (and millennium) was going to be a new era. During my trips there in early 2000, things were quiet with business pretty much as usual. Some changes in my work schedule resulted in nearly a year absence from Central FL trips. During that absence, the raids started, with several arrests made. A wait staff cutie that I spoke with after my return in 2001 told of some SWAT style raids there.

With that, I'll conclude Part 1. Part 2 will be in a follow on article, going from 2001 raid adjustment era, to the return of business as usual (more or less) shortly following 911, and leading up to today.
Jan 2010
May '17
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March 23, 2017
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April 25, 2017
I've seen many comments at strip club patron websites involving the decline of strip clubs. By this is meant declining numbers of clubs, visitors to clubs, and very attractive girls working in clubs.This is something I've seen myself as a twenty year veteran of Indianapolis strip clubs. Many of the comments I see involve the girls and customers having other options with the rise of the internet and sex related sites. I agree on that but I also think there are underlying societal trends as expressed in the legal environment that is influencing the decline.

I'll use as a concrete example three clubs on the east side of Indy on Pendleton Pike: Babes, PT'S and Harem House. As a comparison I'll take the local medium priced restaurant business. Strip clubs and medium priced restaurants both have a clientele with at least some money. Twenty years ago when these three clubs opened this was a fairly middle class part of town. On a Friday or Saturday night these three clubs were packed with local customers with money to spend. This opportunity to make money drew attractive dancers into the clubs to work. During this same period there were also several medium priced restaurants in the area that also were crowded on a Friday or Saturday night and made good profits.

Like most cities, over the ensuing twenty years middle class people slowly moved further out and were replaced in the area by poorer people. The business in the local restaurants slowly declined and they closed down, one by one. Only the cheap fast food places survived. While this happened, many new restaurants opened up a little further out of town where the customers were now living. The local strip clubs saw a decline in customers with money to spend too. Unlike the restaurants, though, they didn't shut down with new replacements opening up where the customers now were. A lot of their remaining business came from guys driving in from the suburbs. The numbers of these guys have declined over time. I used to live near these clubs. I moved further away but because of previously living near them and them being fairly good quality, I developed a strip club habit. A younger guy in a suburb now will be less likely to develop the strip club habit because there are no suburban clubs by him like there was for me twenty years ago. He'll have to make a longer drive. If he makes that drive to these three clubs, he'll see it's an area that isn't very safe. A lot of the customers in the club will be low class local hoodlum types he doesn't feel safe around. After being open for 20 years, the clubs will be a little run down. With fewer guys with money to spend, the clubs will attract less attractive dancers so the girls there won't look very good.

This doesn't create a very tempting environment that will draw in customers and get them to drive in. Now the question is, why didn't the clubs follow the restaurant example I mentioned above? Unlike restaurants, there have been increasing legal roadblocks set up to thwart new clubs opening. There hasn't been a new club open locally here for twenty years. The local government uses a combination of licensing laws and zoning laws to block new clubs. A new club tried to open in the suburban Castleton area. Zoning laws were used to shut it down. A local Mexican nightclub started having strippers to serve the growing Mexican immigrant population. It was raided by the police and shut down for not having a license. "We don't need no stinkin' license." Yes, you do. Can you get a license? No way Jose! The existing clubs are also being hit with more regulations. The pasties police are more on the prowl, ready to fine girls with exposed nipples. Politicians respond to their constituents and this oppressive legal environment is going along with what the public wants. We've gone through three periods over the last sixty years. Up to the 1960's, women were seen as someone to be protected in a paternalistic way, with their choices restricted to housewife or a conservative traditional female field like nursing or elementary school teacher. They were also encouraged to keep their sexuality subdued. They were to dress and act conservatively. Then, with the first wave of feminism, there was a belief that women should be free to make choices about what careers to follow. This allowed women who wanted to be strippers to go in that field. When conservatives tried to shut down clubs or prevent them from opening, they were met with resistance for the first time by liberals and feminists.

Now, though, I think we've entered a second and much different wave of feminism. The current wave of feminism thinks women should be more like men and go in male career fields. Stripping is mostly a female field so women wanting to do that don't get support. Movies are made about black women becoming NASA mathematicians and being portrayed as heroic but no movie will be made portraying any black woman going into stripping as doing something worthwhile. Just imagine, if all the strippers were men then everyone would be agitating to let women do it too but that's not the case. Some feminists have even gone further and are now actively hostile to strip clubs. They involve women trying to please men and you don't want that. They involve men looking at and treating women as sex objects and that's politically incorrect. So now when the local bible thumping conservatives try to prevent new strip clubs from opening, they find themselves with liberal feminists joining them. These strange bedfellows are combining to shut down the strip club industry and are slowly succeeding.
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