Smoking in suburbabn Philly area clubs

Wednesday, May 30, 2018 1:18 PM

When I go to Bucks and Montgomery county PA clubsm, such as Double Visions, Ball Park Tavern, Sugar and Spice, Club Risque in Bristol and my one visit to Suzy lounge, smoking is allowed. Now in most areas of the county and of course including all of NJ. Zero smoking is allowed. Not being a smoker, the lingering smoke smell that I could "bring home" is a problem. I have to leave window down in car to cleanse my self as such, so the SO does not detect smoke. I found this law as such that seems to explain it, "The resulting law in 2008 banned smoking in most indoor public spaces in Pennsylvania but permitted it in designated areas of casinos, bars, and enclosed bar areas of restaurants. Bars accruing less than 20 percent of revenue from food sales also could allow indoor smoking" So that seems to be the reason ( this was enacted in 2008). Frankly I;m surprised smoking is allowed at all inside these days. Anyone have issue with smoking, like not "against smoking" but with your clubbing abd the SO picking up on it?

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Here in CA we have banned indoor smoking. It is a huge improvement. It has lowered the general population smoking rate. And it continues to drop. We have an overall adult rate of 9%, the second lowest after Utah and followed by Idaho. And more than that, I can see that the most intractable facet is starting to change, the teenage rate is dropping! So indoor clean air controls really do work! SJG

san_jose_guy

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6 years ago

I can confirm with you that Double Visions no longer allows smoking. New rule as of 2-3 weeks ago

lolruned

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6 years ago

I don't have an S.O. to worry about but as a non-smoker it's a pain-in-the-ass to walk into a club and get hit by a cloud of cigarette-smoke/smell - it sucks to be having to smell that filthy-shit and inhaling it constantly for the duration of one's visit - not to mention how it gets not only all over your clothes but hair and skin - many a time a dancer has had her back to me at the bar w/ her hair close to my-face and her hair reeks of cigarette-smoke even if she's not a smoker. It's fucked-up that smoking indoors is considered unhealthy but not if "accruing less than 20 percent of revenue from food sales" then it's not unhealthy? That does not fly and it's f'ed up it's still allowed to happen in many areas (seems more-so in the south).

Papi_Chulo

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6 years ago

IME the smoking-shit seems worse in the dives since these seem to have more blue-collar people that like to light-up - and the dives also probably have less-adequate ways to deal w/ the cigarette smoke.

Papi_Chulo

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6 years ago

There is far more smoking, from my experience, in the lowscale or midscale SCs. I agree that these SCs are not well-equipped to handle smoking: too small, not enough ventilation, etc. I would think it stinks for those who are smokers or smoke in social settings for a SC to not allow smoking because it means you have to step out every time

lolruned

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6 years ago

Good research on the law Pete! For what it's worth, if you drive a bit more to Philly, you will find Oasis smoke free and I think Purple Orchid too...

dancewdcpa

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6 years ago

A lot of non-smoking SCs seem to have dedicated smoking-areas (sometimes indoors, sometimes an outdoor patio) - I think that is a good compromise for those that wanna light-up to do so w/o affecting those that don't want to "smoke with them" against their will.

Papi_Chulo

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6 years ago

Once people see that subjecting other people to it is not okay, then they seem to come to understand that they should not subject themselves to it, and that people will look down on them when they do. It is a herd think phenomenon. SJG

san_jose_guy

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6 years ago

A number of years ago smoking was banned in bars and restaurants in Michigan. However, smoking is common in Michigan strip clubs--cigarettes, cigars, hookahs. I have sometimes complained and have been told that smoking is allowed in designated areas. I don't know if that is true or not. Would strip club employees lie?

jackslash

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6 years ago

> I would think it stinks for those who are smokers or smoke in social settings for a SC to not allow smoking because it means you have to step out every time You might think that, but some clubs have communal smoking porches where dancers and customers both go out to smoke. I had a CF who would invite me out for her smoke breaks, even though I don't smoke. She would usually have a dancer friend or two who would come over and chat, too. When I still did smoke, at one job, the smoking area was where I had face-to-face time and build a strong working relationship with the manager when we were outside smoking... and there was this one hot chick who worked in a different department who would flirt with me there, too, which never would happened otherwise.

ppwh

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6 years ago

SCs in PA have skirted that law by designating themselves as 'bars.' However, PA has been cracking down on this via the State Heath Department declaring SCs to be 'entertainment' venues. (See link for example.) Would not surprise me if DV changed because of same judgement. http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/01/put_that_thing_out_court_rulin.html

mjx01

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6 years ago

Also... I believe that PA requires businesses to renew their exemption every few years. So, PA can decide to not consider you a 'bar' whenever you're up for renewal... or you decide you don't want to pay a lawyer a shit ton of money to fight it and let your exemption expire. Or... they clearly didn't donate enough to Gov. Wolf's election fund.

mjx01

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6 years ago

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