Cheating circa November 2022

Should this be in the Political Room ?

These are all non-issues? Cases always rise in the fall even for things like the cold and the flu, of course covid cases will also rise. Trump was complaining about how the cupboards were bare for the pandemic when it started, its just good governance to set up a federal stockpile in case it is needed again. How does rising cases and increasing the federal stockpile lead to stealing an election?

I'm guessing he is getting at the thought that there will once again be a push for mail in voting instead of in person voting. There were people that thought that many of the mail in ballots were fraudulent. What really happened with it, is that it allowed more people in urban areas vote since they didn't need to wait in long ass lines to vote. Traditionally urban areas vote for liberals.

Five reasons to impeach Joe Biden https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/06/five_reasons_to_impeach_joe_biden.html

It is pretty much impossible to commit vote by mail voter fraud. I guess this is something we can't agree on. I want to tell you the only way to know for yourself is to commit voter fraud yourself but my lawyer told me not to advise you, so I am NOT telling you to commit vote by mail fraud to see how secure the system is and how it is impossible to fake votes.

I’ve voted by mail the last 8 cycles, who needs to stand in the Florida heat, or be subjected to the constant blatant electioneering, get a ballot by mail send it back with your choices marked, easy peasy.

In 2020, several states mailed ballots to everyone who was registered to vote. Dead people. People who had moved. Some apartment addresses got 10, or more, ballots. Ballot harvesters bought these ballots, then filled them in, and deposited them in drop off boxes, a hundred at a time. That’s how cheating happened.

^ That’s purely bullshit, it needs context which you refuse to provide.

Voters aren't buying the attempt to shift the blame by Biden and the Democrats for the high inflation levels and even massive vote fraud isn't going to stop a blowout in the upcoming election. Biden says the high inflation is caused by greedy corporations. Does this mean when inflation was lower we had ungreedy corporations and they suddenly became greedy? If you look at corporate profit margins they are about the same. Overall profits are up because consumers have been buying more. They have been buying more because the government has been printing up money and giving it to them. The money supply increased by 40% between 2020 and now. So the government is responsible for the big corporate profits, not corporate greed. In addition to this, the money printing has now led to increasing inflation.

How incredible that there are still people who believe stories like mark94s story? I am so worried about the decline of America as a world leader when I hear people spew crazy talk like this even though there is zero proof of any of it. Not a single shred of real proof. BTW leading a statement with “people are saying” doesn’t qualify as proof. And this largest conspiracy in the history of the world that would have to have thousands and thousands of perpetrators hasn’t yielded a single whistleblower or expose book? Not even one?? The lack of common sense for some people to not be able to figure things out for themselves is super scary for the future of the country.

“Not a single shred of real proof” There is lots of proof. States like California mailed out ballots to everyone on the voter rolls. Go look it up. There are videos from Georgia of people dropping off stacks of ballots at drop boxes. And those same people did that multiple times. All on video. But, if you get all your news from liberal media, you didn’t know that.

I'm happy to inform you that the club reviews are far more reliable than the discussion above. That's why this thread belongs in the "Politics" section.

Lock up the treasonous Trump. That will make America better.

623, Do you feel the same way about people who think the 2016 election was stolen? As for the 2020 election, Time wrote a story bragging about the secret campaign to "save" that election.

>>>But, if you get all your news from liberal media, you didn’t know that.<<< There's the standard answer for anything that might conflict with your world view.

Why do you always assume first that I’m asking from a Democratic perspective and second that the New York Times is my source of information? Just because I disagree isn’t valid we’re all entitled to our opinions but the facts are out and I’m sorry but your version is not supported by the facts.

I own Pfizer stock, I want a 4th through 10th mandatory vaccination and mandatory Paxlovid enemas for anyone in the same county as anyone who tests positive for the virus. Capisce?

I just watched several Republicans election officials state under oath that Donald Trump tried to subvert the constitutional right of the citizens of this country to elect whom they choose, that a fact. Im tired of this nonsense, any normal person is.

Obviously FOX news and Newsmax are more accurate and more reliable than common sense (when you don't have any common sense of your own). Look it up! Jeez people, think for yourselves for once.

Skibitch. You said Republicans will lose. I agree

I’m suggesting none of the media is without bias, whether it’s what you call main stream or what I call right wing mouthpieces makes no difference. Pretty much all media reporting has one goal in mind and that’s to sell advertising space, so they report with their audience wants. That’s the common sense I’m talking about, why is it that anyone believes any media reporting without doing their own research. Kind a hard to do when all you watch is Fox and they don’t even report Jan 6 issues. I doubt any single source is going to have complete stories. Plus I did see reports of the Cavanaugh assassination wannabe but that’s beside the point. They are all just media sellers out to make a buck.

I have no more patience for this idiocy, the truth is out, it just is hard for some folks to admit they've been conned.

^. Another day another insult, you’re just like Iceefag yourself

When President Biden ordered all 600 federal agencies to “expand citizens’ opportunities to register to vote and to obtain information about, and participate in, the electoral process” on March 7, 2021, Republican politicians, Constitutional scholars, and election integrity specialists began to worry exactly what was up his sleeve. The administration has refused Congress request for information about this order. We know 2 things. The Executive Branch has no authority to intervene in this manner ( that’s reserved to Congress and the State Legislatures under the Constitution ) and no less than 7 major agencies are carrying out vote drives and other initiatives using our tax dollars. Read all about it https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/23/yes-biden-is-hiding-his-plan-to-rig-the-2022-midterm-elections/

Biden and the Democrats ignoring laws and weaponizing every agency so they can cheat or harass anyone against the regime, so nothing new there. They hate the country and only care about destroying it and having complete control. Anyone thinking there is a political solution NGMI.

More nasty name calling from the repubs.

Hillary spent 4 years claiming the Russians stole the 2016-election - no-one called her "a threat to democracy" - neither did they call Stacy Abrams "a threat to democracy" when she continuously claimed the 2018 GA race for governor was stolen from her - nor is the NY state AG a "threat to democracy" when she campaigned on solely on going after Trump w/o her even being in office yet all the while calling Trump "an illegitimate president - like almost everything these days; it seems "threats to democracy" 'only come from one side (Republicans)" and it's perfectly ok for one side (Dems) to constantly call the other side "a threat to democracy" while they are the ones do it. Hillary's campaign lawyer was indicted for providing false information to the the FBI which the corrupt FBI was more than happy to run with w/o any vetting even though they new it was bullshit - Hillary's lawyer's "defense" was that yeah he lied to the FBI gut that the FBI should have known he was lying - can't make this Banana Republic shit up.

Just as the "Russian Collusion" was all a hoax concocted by Hillary's campaign which involved the FBI, and 90% of the media, including a super-expensive witch-hunt Muller investigation along w/ 2 sham impeachment trials - if the Dems have done all this (and much more that hasn't come to light); to think they were squeaky-clean during the 2020 election is at best "see no evil hear no evil"; but in reality it's b/c many fear the truth coming out. The main reason there haven't been any breakthroughs w.r.t. 2020 elections it’s b/c the Dems are in power – pretty-much all the election-irregularities were done in Dem control area/cities; they were in charge of the elections and they are not gonna investigate themselves – if Democracy is as important as the Dems claim (shill) it to be; they’d want a full thorough investigation to prove something as important as the election was legit; yet what they do is threaten and smear anyone that says anything negative about the 2020-election (3rd-world dictatorship style).

Two cases of election investigations stalled: 1) it has come to light that a Michigan AG had evidence of election fraud right after the election – he forwarded that evidence to Bill Bahr, the U.S. Attorney General; and Bahr directed him to hand it over to the Philadelphia AG who is a democrat Trump-hater that’s on record saying Trump would never win the 2020 election no matter what the vote count was 2) a similar case in Texas – the TX AG has evidence of voter-fraud in Democrat districts – the Dems sue on some technicality and the TX AG is told he has to hand over the investigation to the AGs of the districts where the alleged fraud occurred – and obviously the AGs of those same districts whwere the fraud occurred are Democrats and obviously they are not gonna investigate their own party – the TX AG was at a loss in that it was the first time as the top AG in the state that he was barred from doing an investigation

Just like the January 6 hearings are a sham where only one side is allowed to present the case/evidence (Dems plus two Republican never-Trumpers that voted to impeach him); which is the first time that has ever happened in a congressional hearing (every time b/f this each party got to choose their members to be part of a hearing; but Pelosi blocked the Republicans from choosing their own members; first time in history). Just like those Jan 6 hearings are a one-sided sham; so are any investigations into the 2020 elections where the fraud occurred in democrat controlled cities/districts and the Dems and never-Trumpers are blocking anyone outside of those Dem controlled cities/districts from doing investigations or bringing up any charges – not much different from DAs in Dem cities refusing to prosecute criminals.

"... ‘Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” That quote isn’t from President Trump, who criticized mail-in voting this week after Wisconsin Democrats tried and failed to change an election at the last minute into an exclusively mail-in affair. It’s the conclusion of the bipartisan 2005 report of the Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker III ..." https://www.wsj.com/articles/heed-jimmy-carter-on-the-danger-of-mail-in-voting-11586557667

The Dems claim the 2020 election was “the most secure election in history” (but of course they block anyone from proving or disproving that claim) – for them a “super secure election” is one where signatures are not needed; absentee/mail-in ballots flood in w/o the ability/time to know for sure they are legit; and vote-counting is stopped in critical states/cities (coincidentally all Dem controlled cities) and it just so happened the Dem candidate (Brandon) was losing b/f the count was stopped. For the Dems “secure elections” are ones where there is chaos (Covid); changing of laws (changing of election laws illegally by the PA supreme court where only the legislature is allowed to do that); barring of poll-watchers; mass main-in-ballots with no way to know where they came from (just random people, in some instances seen on video, stuffing a high # of ballots in the middle of the night into unsupervised drop-boxes the Dems pushed for; and thru geo-location the same ballot stuffers going to at least 10 different unsupervised drop-boxes and stuffing ballots in). Seems the Dems are constantly fighting for every type of election procedure that has a greater chance of there being fraud and when anyone complains their M.O. is to smear them as racists and Jim Crow 2.0 and then sic their media allies on anyone that raises any issue (vs investigating the allegations).

If interested; watch the short trailer below about the Dinesh Dsouza movie "2000 Mules" about an organization that has collected data into suspected vote-mules - but obviously neither Dinesh nor this organization as private-citizens can themselves open investigations; they can only present the case and it's up to the authorities to do investigations but that is a longshot with the Dems in power, and in control of the areas where the alleged fraud occured; it's the old "fox guarding the hen-house): https://2000mules.com/

Again you're just saying Republicans will lose and rationalize it by saying the election will be stolen. Which isn't true.

For those than only-watch one side of the media; if you'd like, waatch this 6-minute Tucker Carlson video-clip and see what the Biden administration is up to that it is very-unlikely you will see anywhere else - and this is just 1 of dozens if not 100s of examples of what this administration is doing that is not being reported (or is treated as "disinformation"; not disproven; but "disinformation): https://tuckercarlson.com/former-trump-doj-official-jeffrey-clark-describes-fbi-raid/

How does one so called ballot harvester buy mail in voting letters that were received by people who are dead and people who have moved…

^ There was a ballot harvester arrested in Ilhan Omar’s mostly Somali district in Minnesota a couple years ago. That case revealed how it worked. Word went out in the community that you could bring the extra ballots that arrived in your mailbox to the harvester and he would pay $X for each ballot. He had purchased hundred of ballots before being caught.

Here’s the story https://www.wibc.com/blogs/tony-katz/project-veritas-uncovers-widespread-ballot-harvesting-fraud-in-minnesota/

Better question , explain why Rep Matt Gaetz (R-Fl), Mo Brooks (R-Fl), Louie Gohmert(R-Texas), Andy Biggs(r-Az), Scott Perry (R-Pa),have requested Pre-Emptive Pardons, from the Trump White House Administration , either directly or through other Trump aides, after the January 6 incidents ? There are more reported names but these five have been confirmed. Feel free to use the most creative mental gymnastics you like, including any nonsense that you fella's can pull out of your ass, or Tucker Carlson's ass, or Alex Jones ass.

This dude was ballot harvesting and documenting everything he did? Only for it to be uncovered by some dude who works in the civilian sector of Ramsey County PD, its public info omar Jamal isn't even in law enforcement he works FOR law enforcement.

If it were so easy why don't you do it? If its so blatant why don't you report it? Try to sell your ballot next election.

Ballot harvesting hahaha what a joke, consider the benefit to the penalties wow someone might pay you a few cents for your ballot but if either of you get caught the penalties range from 5 years imprisonment and from 50K in fines, sure must be a whole community of idiots that are doing this one LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Here’s another piece of the ballot harvesting scam. All these drop boxes, ostensibly set up for CoVid safety, became the way harvesters turned in ballots. This video from Georgia shows one instance of a harvester dropping off ballots. There are dozens of these videos from Georgia representing thousands of ballots. https://www.survivethenews.com/new-video-voterga-releases-video-of-georgia-ballot-trafficker-holding-up-his-ballots-and-taking-a-photo-before-dumping-them-in-ballot-dropbox/

^ why not collect scrap metal, it probably pays better LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

If it were so easy why don't you do it? 1. It’s illegal 2. I’m not part of an inner city “community” where this takes place If its so blatant why don't you report it? 1. No one I know has anything to do with this illegal activity Try to sell your ballot next election. 1. No thanks

“Ballot harvesting hahaha what a joke, consider the benefit to the penalties wow someone might pay you a few cents for your ballot “ 1. Criminals aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed. They commit blatant crimes all the time with the potential penalty outweighing the benefit 2. These crimes are not prosecuted in blue cities with blue police chiefs and blue DAs. Everyone is in on it.

Attorney general Barr even said under oath that whatever ballot harvesting that occurred was so smal that it couldn’t affect the outcomes.

The idea of benefit vs. penalty makes perfect sense to any normal rational person. However, I would argue that it doesn't apply in the type of "community" being discussed here. Just consider the almost daily reports (on ANY news channel) of elderly people being randomly sucker-punched just for the thrill of it, or kids being beat up and/or murdered for their expensive sneakers. Moreover, in this kind of "community" there is likely a near 100% perception that there's nothing wrong with harvesting fake votes since it's considered a step toward the "greater good". I doubt it has much to do with a small monetary payment but rather a belief that they are "doing the right thing" regardless of illegality. Besides, how could anyone be prosecuted for handing over a mail-in ballot. If (and that's a BIG IF) someone ever investigated, it could be easily explained. I threw it in the garbage. I don't remember seeing it. My mail gets delivered to the wrong house all the time. Maybe Uncle Charlie received it before he died, why don't you ask him!

^ So, the bar has shifted from “ elections are perfectly safe” to “ sure, there is cheating, but not enough to worry about”. In Georgia, the Presidential election came down to 10,000 votes. There are enough ballot harvesters, over 100 most with multiple trips to drop boxes, on video to account for those 10,000 votes.

The people implicated in all these shady schemes tend to be part of the Democrat power structure. They are either true believers or their employment is contingent in their participation.

Yet the few cases that were actually prosecuted were Trump voters. I guess it's because the lefties control the process, right fella's?

Mark. You believe 1 income is better than 2 and that Trump is still president... and a recession is good for people. Go crawl back under your rock.

“Mark. You believe 1 income is better than 2 and that Trump is still president... and a recession is good for people.“ Wrong, wrong, and wrong. All those claims are a result of your impaired reading comprehension.

No they're what you said. You still think Trump won the election and now you're going on about how takingbaway reproductive rights will usher jn a libertarian paradise with no environmental protections.

"... Attorney general Barr even said under oath that whatever ballot harvesting that occurred was so smal that it couldn’t affect the outcomes ..." That's an assumption at best - at best Barr didn't wanna get his hands dirty and also be gone after and being branded an "election denier" - at worst he stabbed Trump in the back by sitting-idle which IMO a good # of RINOs did (Barr was part of the Bush cabinet and the Bushes hate Trump with a passion like many RINOs do). Those in-the-know know there are plenty of smoking guns to start multiple-investigations but Barr didn't move a finger - Barr's statements are at best an assumption bc he never investigated any allegations and conveniently took everything at face value.

Anyone who really believes in democracy would support a system where all eligible voters can register to vote and vote in 20 minutes or less, without having to miss work. They'd also be in favor of eliminating the Senate and the Electoral College. Until the Trumpers do this, their claims of fraud are highly suspect. Even more suspect, since Trumpers will promote claims from people whose previous claims were shown to be brazen lies. Trumpism is just a repackaging of the KKK.

^^ WTF ilbbaicnl... Seriously, are you trying to win the title of most retarded TUSCLer?

^nah you are just a fucking idiot with the dumbest takes on everything. The founding fathers specifically didn't trust direct democracy, and specifically created a republic. That is the only reason most states even joined, most people don't want to be ruled by NY and LA. Direct democracy has never and will never work.

Clearly that was for fag ILBBIACNL not you

Barr didn't find any fraud bc he didn't look for any even though there are some that are saying he was given evidence and he side-stepped-it and directed the evidence to be forwarded to the Trump-hating corrupt Philly democrat DA for it to be "investigated" by him

Direct democracy works. It's why people oppose the electoral college. Ime you're out if touch with reality. No one gives a fuck about you bigots who are kicking and screaming to not enter the 21st century. But you admitted that if there was direct democracy your kind would lose

You are an utter moron and not really worth respoding too. You are the perfect example of how schools have failed and have never had or if you did understand what you were taught in civics class. No one gives a fuck about you whiney progressives who can't even define what a woman is.

You just took the time to write a butt hurt response though. No one gives a fuck what your degenerate ass thinks. Even you admitted that direct democracy would mean you'd lose. You have to be a weirdo to oppose direct democracy. I guess you oppose local and state elections 🤡 Also stop going to strip clubs and stop seeing hookers. That's against your pretend ethics too

Cope and seethe faggot

You can't cope with reality so you're spamming a strip club forum with right wing extremism even you admit the American people don't want

You said direct democracy such as state and local elections are un-American 🤡😂😂😂😭

Obviously, no one is going to change anyones mind about these issues. So why do you waste your time and effort trying? About 80% of the people believe the election was as fair as any other election and some people just don’t care, so ipso facto and onward to the next circus act in 2022 then 2024 ad infinium. Keep those keyboards humming; as if it makes the slightest difference in anyones lives but yours.