Escorting

I suggest using Preferred 411 over Eros and Tryst. Also TER too. Yes, but I always come back to clubs.

Is the difference between this thread and the one from last month (about only doing OTC instead of going to clubs) where the guys are shopping for providers? https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=81795

Escorts just aren't my thing. I'll pick OTC, or in a pinch ITC extras, over escorts every single time. Just a preference thing.

I've done both but more of each at different times over the years. I found TER at it's beginning and used that successfully for years. I have stopped the escort thing in recent years mainly because I've had decent luck in clubs and personal life as I've aged. I find both fill a need and would go back to either at any time. Escorts have gone up over the years and are more transactional most times. However, I've had luck with both that made either less transactional. OTC can be a less for more time but you can end up spending a lot of time and money to find a fun girl.

@booty_lover92 I will play along and comment on your Escorting discussion. Q: Has anyone ever taken a long hiatus from clubbing and gone straight up to escorts only? A: Yes, many people here have, but the two sex-for-pay options are not mutually exclusive. Remember: “No two people's life experiences are the same…" I have participated on both types, to have different types of fun. You will find many opinions and examples etc on this site as why OTC sex with a stripper is the "caviar of the sex industry". From seeing and talking to them in person (no bait and switch) and establishing a relationship ITC, the “trill of the hunt”, convincing them to do OTC, Spending more time for less money, dinner some times, going out, overnights sometimes, closer to a GFE encounter. I agree with that idea because I have experinced some of that. However, I wrote an article about my ATF Woman: https://tuscl.net/article.php?id=50809 Where I explained why my encounter with an high end Russian escort in Beverly Hills I saw in a high end website no longer existing, but similar to Tryst and was the best sexual human experience in my life. Part of it was that she was beatiful a 10+ in my opinion, nice and sexy to me, and seemed to enjoy sex (orgasmed and squirted). It was the best paid-for-sexual experience of my life, remember, sex is never free we pay one way or another. Just remember you can't win the game if you don't even play it. If you decide to try the Escort route in the adult industry hobby, be prepared and aware of the rules, prepare for the worst case scenario and hope for the best. With respect to escorts be prepared to bail at any point or moment when your gut feeling (spidy sense) is telling to do so. 0. Contact her by text if she offers in-call (you go to her hotel/apartment), be professional, corteus and friendly, see how she responds, if you decide to take one for the team just be aware of the rules of the game. 1. When you go see her dress like a clean businessman/professional, If she is not the girl on the pictures, or you don't find her attractive enough when you meet her, turn around and leave immediately, no need to deal with liers and cheats. 2. If she is OK and you enter her place make sure you feel comfortable, ask to take a shower even before giving her any money. If she is not okey with that again leave. 3 if it is a possible set up to rob you and there are others in the room, size the situation if you can run or walk away do so if not hand out the money and leave without getting beaten or worst, you just paid for a lesson in life that is all. 4 if it is a police sting, just keep your mouth close and ask to talk to an attorney. They probably let you go with a warning/ticket. Another lesson on life. But if you are able to take a shower relax and come out and she is ready, put the gift/money on the dresser where she can get it and count it see it and make sure all is there. Be nice to her and she will probably be nice to you in return, and in hope that you become a regular customer. Don’t forget to ask her permission to get some Pics and Vids for an additional fee, because Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen. :D Good luck having all kinds of fun.

No escorts for me but I can appreciate the allure of sex with an escort. As noted by CJKent, sex with escorts has several risks, two of which are mentioned above (#3, robbed; #4 police sting) as well as a few others (e.g., bait and switch, the escort blows up your phone or intrudes in your private life). Of course, the escorts also incur some of the same risks as the customer. As best I can tell, ITC sex with a stripper is not risk free but it has fewer risks than sex with an escort if the ITC transaction is done on a cash basis (no identifying credit cards or other personal information). I'm fortunate that my travels take me to places where ITC sex at a strip club is possible (Detroit, City of Industry, Tampa Bay Area). So for me, I'll pass on escorts as long as I have access to strip clubs where ITC sex is possible. This is a personal preference and I'm sure that those who partake of escort services can provide eloquent rationale to support their personal preferences. For thought: If you had access to strip clubs where ITC sex was possible, where would you invest your time and money? Escorts or strippers?

Nope. No need.

@booty_lover92 Remember All activities, sexual or not, in our capitalist society have a cost in money, time and effort. With respect to relationship with women; I would refer you to Demosthenes (384 – 12 October 322 BC) Greek statesman and orator of ancient Athens. 1. We have courtesans for the sake of pleasure. 2. Concubines for the daily health of our bodies, and 3. Wives to bear us lawful offspring and be the faithful guardians of our homes In this list is the Greek view of woman in the classic age. And in all ages and times. All men want that, but only some can afford it... In today’s world Demosthenes would say: 1. We have high end escorts, centerfolds, actresses, models, Strippers (ITC OTC) etc that provide PSE/GFE for the sake of pleasure. 2. Mistresses/Sugar Babies/; etc, for the daily health of our bodies. 3. Trophy Girlfriends/Wives to bear us lawful offspring, and be the faithful guardians of our homes. 4. Realistic Sex Dolls/Gynoids/Fembots, and Internet Porn and Instagram/Onlyfans “Models”, for kicks-and-giggles” Remember “In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.” ~ Cuban refugee Tony Montana (Al Pacino) in the movie Scarface. If you have the money and can afford it, buy it and enjoy it. Just be careful out there and don’t fall in love with any of these women, unless she has a heart of gold. :D

This rick is confused Scrub Ape. Are you pro Warrior Ape or anti Warrior Ape? The shit about him having a small dick sounds negative, but the stuff about fuckin’ a turkey in the ass… Well, who the fuck hasn’t done that? Admittedly, I was pretty drunk the last time I fucked a turkey in the ass. But I wanna be clear that it was a female turkey. Or maybe it was a cooked turkey on thanksgiving. I vaguely remember somebody complaining about lion jizz in the stuffing, so who knows. All the drivin’ whiskey makes my memory kind of foggy. Anyhoo… my advice to Scrub Ape is to drink a few bottles of cough syrup and chase it with some Jack. And maybe Jack’s friend Jim. Does wonders for the rage. Just sayin’. I mean really, rage is unbecoming an ape. Works better on big cats. Think of my big cat buds Imma tell you all the story of me, rickthetiger, and rickthejaguar some time. I’m sure they were good times if I can ever remember them. I think a turkey may have been fucked. But a female turkey. I mean really, we’re ricks so no homo. ROAR!!!

===> "Has anyone ever taken a long hiatus from clubbing and gone straight up to escorts only?" No. First because I don't want girls sight unseen. In my very limited experience in that space (which was a long time ago), along with too many stories to count posted on another site, they rarely look like their pics. Second because I don't want to be one of many served in a given day, which is also why I usually don't do ITC stuff. Third because the limited experiences I did have were very transactional and scripted. Makes sense given that she's also working sight unseen and dealing with multiple guys each day, so over time she falls into routines that work for her while she goes to some special place in her head. Now I could see SA becoming an alternative for a while. Now one might say that the same risks apply with SA girls (old pics, undercover pros doing volume, etc.), but IME it's a different type of girl on SA once you weed out the pros and scammers. I've now had a few meetings off the site and the experiences have been more like stripper OTC or civilian hookups than what I experienced with the dial-up chicks. Now of course it's much easier to weed out the pros in a small market like Jacksonville, so I don't know if it would be the same if I was in a larger market like NYC or L.A.

I have zero confidence that the girl in the photos is the actual girl that is going to show up at my door. Especially in this world of photoshopping. Also, I've looked at EROS. Unless those quoted prices are very negotiable , they are out of my league. I guess you could say the same thing about Sugar sites. The girls do more than a little filtering in their online photos. I agree. But in sugaring, you do an initial meet&greet. If the girl shows up and I'm not interested , I walk away. No money is exchanged.

@wall ‘Is the difference between this thread and the one from last month (about only doing OTC instead of going to clubs) where the guys are shopping for providers?’ Wall, you phrased it as a question but you could have easily written it as a declarative statement. You know the answer and the reason this discussion was posted.

There's a couple of escorts that I see on occasion (though not for a while now), but no long hiatus. Even aside from the possibility of sex, clubs are pretty fun in their own right.

Because this site is about strip clubs, it's not surprising that most of the answers here lean toward clubs. I think I can give some different insight, since I've been seeing escorts for 20 years. First off, although I prefer escorts, I also like clubs. But escorts have been some of my best sexual AND personal experiences. I was surprised to see the comments basically saying how risky it is. Thinking about it, I can see how those situations can arise, but there is a safe way to do this. This is going to make me sound like a shill, but TER (the Erotic Review) is a great way to find just what you're looking for, and safely. I say safely, because you're dealing either with agencies that have a reputation to maintain, or independents that have multiple reviews (sometimes over 100!). If someone is a ripoff, this comes out pretty quick. Even better, in the reviews, you get detailed info on just what is provided. Sometimes this does change, and that's where reading the recent reviews give you the best idea. Is this perfect? No, I've seen escorts with stellar reviews, and they've just laid there. It's kind of like the clubs, in that you have to see the girl to tell for sure. But unlike the clubs, you have much better info going in. And like most things in life, most escorts aren't that great. But when you finally find a good one, it can be great. I ended up seeing a curvy, model like Polish escort once a month for eight years. It was SO nice. Unfortunately, she ended up marrying a lawyer, who knew what she did and made her quit. After seeing a lot of turkeys, I've now found another keeper, a really petite, cute firecracker, that gives incredible DT. More on stripper vs. escort. With strippers, it can be very hypocritical. They feel you up and grind on you, then sometimes get all offended when that grinding leads to its logical conclusion. With escorts, this is all up front, no pretending that this is something else. Not only that, but ultimately, escorts are cheaper. The girl I'm seeing now charges $400 an hour, but only $250 for a half. And she'll do everything in that half hour that she does for the full. If you stick with regular dances, strippers can be cheaper, but as soon as you go VIP, you're now spending more, for an iffy outcome. But the clubs give you something different. Walking into a strip bar, seeing a bevy of sexy women, and within a short time, having one of them grind on your johnson or get even more intimate, is a turn on. It's kind of sleazy, but that's what I like about it. If I lived in Tampa and was a regular at the clubland found out who did what, I might lean more toward strippers. But the clubs here suck, so I'm all in on escorts.

^ You hit on something that I don't like about escorts. They charge by the hour. When I do a sugar date or an OTC, there is no clock. We make an evening out of it. Dinner, drinks, something fun, then sex. And maybe even they stay overnight. If I'm lying by the hour, that is gonna bankrupt me.

Nope. I prefer strippers OTC as a first option, ITC as a second. I feel like its easier to sift through a bunch of strippers than escorts or SA girls to find one I like. And I enjoy the club itself, even without the prospect of sex at all. The whole hourly thing and unscripted aspect are big for me too. Most of my OTC encounters are multiple hours, many over night or for the weekend. Paying by the hour I'd either go broke or have to change the approach. It ties into the unscripted aspect as well, if I'm paying by the hour and she's charging by the hour I feel like there's a tendency for both of us to get very mechanical to make sure we check all the boxes. Unlike with a stripper where its more relaxed and just naturally happens.

"I was surprised to see the comments basically saying how risky it is" Agree with you Alfredo -- at least is you go about your escorting adventures smartly. If you are doing the equivalent of bottom trawling backpage, yes, going to be risky as fuck. But if you have a minimal amount of brain cells and caution, escorting is generally MORE safe than ITC extras at least from the perspective of physical safety and not getting robbed. A well reviewed escort is going to be safer than a random stripper who you've never read a review on, hoping she'll deliver on the extras she's promised. At worst, similar risks. Where the risks are unbalanced is that first time you see an escort, your biggest risk is when she opens the door. 95% chance she doesn't look as good as her pics; if she's merely half a point worse, it's a win. With your ITC stripper, she's right there in front of you and has probably even done a lapper or two for you, you know exactly what you're getting as far as looks, body odor, personality, sensuality. IME, escorts are best for when you want a guaranteed, pre-reviewed & researched, known-time-window (e.g. exactly from 4pm to 5pm) sexual encounter. I don't value this, so not my choice.

I didn't know ITC strippers was so popular. It's my preference too, but I should probably get tinted windows in my car.

It's an interesting point about escorts being by the hour, and strippers not. The two times strippers have actually offered me OTC contact, there was no time limit discussed, and that would have mitigated the expense. But both situations were late at night (early morning) and would have only gone an hour or so anyway before going to sleep. And since I'm living with someone, the hourly rate thing is fine with me, I can't just disappear for hours without raising a lot of red flags with the spousal unit. Having wild, unbridled sex for an hour, then leaving, works out fine for me. Everybody has different needs and ideas of what's best. For me, it's both escorts and strippers, although most of my effort and time goes to escorts.

You know I've ended up hanging out with sugar baby's that were probably escorts, but let's make it sound nice and call it "sugar lovin'"

===> "You know I've ended up hanging out with sugar baby's that were probably escorts, but let's make it sound nice and call it "sugar lovin'"" Lol. I have to imagine that it's unavoidable in a market as large as NYC. There's just no realistic way to easily weed them out when you have a small army of girls selling ass on countless sites on any given day/night.

I’m wondering if this discussion relates to the other booty lover discussion about him being upset over a tipping issue at his usual club? He mentioned toward the end of that discussion that he thought it was all about a business transaction and money. I don’t think that should come as an epiphany to any experienced club goer. If booty lover is saddened to realize strip clubs and strippers are interested in money - then he won’t be happy when he starts looking for whores and escorts. If you don’t cum by the time 59 minutes pass - she’s going to be asking for another $300 to keep going. Simply said, I enjoy the effort of strippers ITC. I know I’m interesting as long as I have money. I also enjoy knowing that I can move on when I choose. It’s not that easy with a whore in a hotel room - that I’ve paid for.

I enjoy playing with strippers, the transactional nature of our interactions not withstanding, we agree to enjoy each other’s company in a way that’s beneficial to both of us. When it’s over we go back to our normal lives and if it’s done properly there are no repercussions. As to escorts, I don’t get the same enjoyment from the nature of those encounters, when there is a clock running it forces you to make decisions instead of just allowing things to develope organically.

Basically 20fag likes gfes with hookers

Another way to slice and dice this: Choose escorts if: You desire maximum certainty on: date, amount of time (even if that time is minimal), duration, cost, sexual activities performed You are very flexible on: how good she looks, what her personality is like, at least for the first time you see her And extra credit if: you don't want downside surprises (other than looks & personality) even if that means very little chance of upside surprise Choose OTC if: You desire maximum certainty on: how hot she is, how much faux-chemistry you have, how turned on by her you are, it can expand to dinner etc for the same price You are flexible on: date & time (she might show late or not at all, she doesn't have set availability), duration And extra credit if: you like the possibility of huge upside surprises (e.g., she stays overnight, she's a three-hole girl, it lasts hours and hours) even if that means there's a chance of downside surprises (e.g., she doesn't show up, she gets drunk and combative and/or passes out, etc)

"how much faux-chemistry you have" Subra is so jaded lol.