what to expect otc

What you should expect is she will do the dirty with you and expect compensation for her time. That’s it. And then she’ll likely need more money at some point because her car broke down. And then for her kid’s birthday. And then some clothes. And depending on how good the seks is and how much you are into her you will pay up. Until you realize you are paying for more than it’s worth. But maybe you’re lucky and she’s awesome gf material, who knows? Go for it anyway at least the first time will be worth it!

It's almost certainly not a date. So, be prepared to pay. You should also prepare for her to blow you off. Don't take it personally. Sober day-after dancer might rethink what tipsy post-work dancer asked you to do. Also, it's very unusual for a dancer to trust a customer she just met to drive her home. So, also consider that you might not be dealing with someone who makes great decisions. That might factor into whether or not *you* want it to be a date or stick to something more transactional. Nobody can really tell you what to expect with any reliability. We don't know this woman and you didn't nail it down. I'm assuming that you'll call her before you head over. That sounds like a good opportunity to ask about her expectations versus yours. I know that I wouldn't go into a stranger's home (and she is essentially a stranger) without knowing what I'm getting into.

I tell all the women in my professional and personal life the following (it applies to men as well): When confronted by someone who means you harm, your chances of survival are zero if you are removed from where you first met them. In your case that is the club ................................

Just as long as you don’t wake up in an ice bath missing your kidneys you should be fine, although she may eventually ask you to babysit her kid while she’s at work.

First off clarify with her what is to be expected. In advance. Bring only that amount of cash with you. Lock everything else in your car. Bring your own condoms. Sounds to me like you are in for some fun.

"Typically, I wouldn't be available for such a meet up, but I'm in a special circumstance where I am free for most of the day." It's called being thirsty for some puss. At least you're driving there and not relying on her knowing how a clock works. I just had to fire two girls who greatly overestimated their appeal after fucking up my schedule two days in a row. Usually I don't ghost dancers, but this is a "special circumstance" lol.

@galabad I will play along and comment on your discussion: Q: what to expect otc? A: Nobody knows; even her, probably, doesn’t know what she really means/wants, because she was “a bit tipsy”… The TUSCL Glossary definition of OTC is: Outside The Club - Meeting with a dancer for anything from an after work snack at Denny's to a dinner date to an escort session. Not usually approved of by the club or by many dancers. However most people in TUSCL expect/want some kind of sexual contact/relationship, who doesn’t? You have to decide, in advance, if you are interested in her for an OTC “relationship”, as a one night stand, “escort”, sugar baby, girlfriend, future mother of your kids, kept woman, 🏆 trophy wife, dinner date, etc etc etc In my humble opinion and limited experience OTC with sex (full service) happens maybe 50% of the OTC times, however the ultimate goal of a heterosexual healthy man is to have sex with a female he finds attractive. According to Sigmund Freud “Sex is a prime motivator and common denominator for male humans...” Even today Oversexualized & Sexually Repressed American culture/society. persists in sending men and women mixed messages about their sexuality. We want women to be objects of sexual desire, yet we expect them to be pure... The reality is that, just like men, women have a natural and healthy desire to be sexual. Yet women are less likely to reveal their sexual desire. American society encourages women to push their sexual desires down. I will said once more; although OTC has many interesting experiences that are individual and unique, the ultimate goal for men, even if they are repressed and have guilty feelings, is to have sex, healthy heterosexual man have sexual fantasies about women all the time. Is interesting than in our sexualized society, cultural suppression of female sexuality is one thing that exists. Women are in denial of the fact that most men want to have sex with them, and continue to put them in the “friend zone”… Going back to your expectations, you should have a very good idea, gut feeling about what you might expect, she has a kid and a new “side” business and she trusted you to drive her to her house. It is definitely up to you to pretend to be the man in the relationship and decide what you want it to be and express it clearly and since you said you want something in the “down low” you should expect paid-for-sex with no strings attached. Make sure you “pay her for her time and compassion” and everything else (sex) is something that happens because you both like each other and is not being paid for. Make sure she feel desired and be a gentleman and make her have a couple of orgasms first. What other consenting adults do in the privacy of their OTC encounters should be nobody else business. Good look and remember Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen. :D

My concern with this is that I stop by, kid is at work, ex-boyfriend(s) (because she has a lot, of course) drive by, see unfamiliar car, knock on the door, catch you banging her, beat the shit out you or worse. I take risks but not this kind. If you know her very well, then it's another story; but you don't seem to. Not for me, but good luck.

For starters, I think you missed an opportunity last night to strike while the iron was hot. Given everything you described, I suspect that she would have been amenable to a side trip to a hotel on the way home - assuming of course the money was right. 😉 But that's water under the bridge now. Though speaking of money, it's important that you are clear on expectations before you hook up with her. When you're ready, you might want to send her a simple text like "Hi [ ]. Are you still interested in meeting up today? Also, mind if I ask what you need for that?" and see what she says. Now assuming she's still game, it's 50/50 that she's going to either give you a number or ask you to come up with one. If she gives you a number you're comfortable with, they go yee forth. If she gives you a number that is too high, or asks you to come up with one, circle back to us with the specifics, along with your general geographic location, and we can give you advice on how to respond. Good luck!

You can generally expect 2 things from this situation. 1) Chances are she is going to expect financial compensation for her time with you. That could be just a little if she is looking to get lunch and then do some standard dances for you or a lot if she is down to fuck. 2) Young women, especially strippers, can be unpredictable and unreliable at times so the meet up may never happen or at least not as planned. Of course she could also just be wanting a free ride back to work today once the babysitter gets there and she is looking at you as her new personal chauffeur where the only thing it costs her is some friendly conversation.

You can expect to be used and disrespected. The common denominator is drugs. You'll never mean anything to a stripper unless you do drugs together. If she has 2 guys in her life, you who pays her rent, buys her stuff, gives her rides, and a worthless druggie who gets high with her on heroin or ectasty, she'll fall in love with the druggie. You'll never mean anything to her except a pay check or a ride. Some girls have been honest with me, admitting that they'll never get off drugs and don't really want to. Most it seems lie, saying they're off drugs, they want to go straight. Don't believe them. My advice: never "loan" them money, it's always a mistake. Don't pay in advance so they can get high. Don't be a captain.

"I am going to watch for and make sure I don't get into any such situation. Right now she doesn't have my cell number and I don't intend to give it to her." You're going to need her number if you want to contact her WHEN she flakes (not if). It may even start with today, when she's not home when you arrive at her home. Quite trusting on her part to allow a custie to know where she lives. And, quite trusting on your part to enter her home. What are you going to do when you get a surprise visitor?

" Right now she doesn't have my cell number and I don't intend to give it to her. " This definitely won't work. As funontheside mentioned, you will need to be able to text each other, especially to check on whether she's still on, whether she'll be on time, why she isn't there, etc. This is not optional unless you just want to drive for no reason. Just get a google voice line so she can't reverse search it. Of course, no-text no-shows are common from strippers also, but at least this way you have a fighting chance.

galabad said "Right now she doesn't have my cell number and I don't intend to give it to her." Wait... what? So, were you intending to just show up at her house during school hours and hope she'd be fine with that? That's got a pretty high chance of ending in evening news coverage. Certainly local; possibly national. If you're going to do any sort of OTC, then you need some sort of burner number. Google Voice, an app, whatever. I'd say that's not optional.

For one reason or another it sounds like you aren't looking to be this single moms new stripper boyfriend. Keep this relationship transactional (it can be friendly the same way you are with your mechanic or barber). Text her asking what you should bring. Then if she doesn't take the hint, ask how much cash to bring. You're likely in for a nice GFE encounter.

Oh just read the update. Yeah get a Google voice number.

AMP game has much better odds than the stripper game, and you often get a decent massage. OTC is advanced. I've never managed it where I live. The girls who offered it to me I wouldn't accept from. You can have a good time at an AMP for the cost of one short VIP session or less. May not be the prettiest masseuse but she'll make you feel alright.

Ok first off, I'm drunk. Its cinco de mayo or some bullshit, but whatever. My advice (advise? Shit i forgot how to spell) would be to just go for it. I've had many OTC adventures and they all ended up good. No one jumped out behind a door while I was pumping my baby gravy deep inside the dancer who I was with. Its always a good idea to meet up at someplace neutral, like a hotel. Don't go to her place, and sure as fuck DON'T invite her to your place. Just rmember, with more time spent with her, the more trust will be gained. And the more she will be willing to do things with you. Like buttsex. If you plow the bootyhole, oh man that's the jackpot right there. GOOD LUCK!

Congratulations, you hit the trifecta with high scores in paranoia, rudeness AND creepiness. That takes real talent. 😆 A normal person would have reached out to her in advance to confirm that everything was still good and to perhaps sync up on expectations. Also, if there was already an agreed upon meeting time, he would have let her know if he was running late for any reason so that she could choose to cancel or reschedule instead of being ghosted. But not you. First your paranoia prevented you from doing the right thing in reaching out to her even though you had her number. But as if that wasn't enough, you then doubled down by showing up at her house, where she lives with her kids and potentially others, unannounced later in the day. Idk, but I don't think that stripper OTC is right for you at this point in your life. You lack both the stones and the judgment to make it work.

I'm going to agree that showing up at a dancer's home unannounced is not the best decision making.

^ what you fail to understand is that it really doesn’t matter what you tell yourself. It’s your self described actions that give you away every time.

People jump to conclusions all the time. Especially on the TUSCL boards because it's not really what you're saying that matters its what they want to tell you in return lol. "I don't think I was as rude or creepy as you are anyone else might be thinking." No, it was actually pretty rude to no show without warning if she really did go to meet you. But strippers flake often so why not customers? And you did make it sound clueless and somewhat creepy lol. "I left some details out of my original narrative for brevity's and privacy's sake." Brevity, OK. Privacy? None of us care who you "really" are and describing whatever low rent shithole she lives by isn't going to tell us anything about you. All your reviews are basically in different towns so again thats going way overboard. "I think a lot of guys on here could understand why you wouldn't want to give a stripper your personal information" Yeah. And multiple dudes already told you about ways to give a number you can use that isn't really yours. Any stripper who can trace who you are through an internet number shouldn't be a stripper. "It's possible she was never there or never even intending to be there" I would bet actual money she wasn't there, because like Rick said she was probably angling to sell her body that night and you blew it. Don't feel bad. One of the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life was trying to get me to take her from the club to a hotel in Columbia, SC. Totally went over my head because I was young in monger years and trying to get her goods ITC. After I'd been doing the whole club thing a while longer it dawned on me what I missed out on and I did an instant face palm lol.

@wallanon The creepy comes in when a guy shows up stalker style at the home of a woman without advance notice,, not to mention she has children at the home, that would be frightening to any woman I imagine.

I'll refrain from piling on and write this off to inexperience. But, if there's a next time, then just consider how your actions might look from a dancer's perspective. I'll also note again that the dancer got a ride to the place where she and her kid lives from a strip club customer she didn't know at all. So, it wasn't exactly a night showcasing best practices by anyone.

"Idk, but I don't think that stripper OTC is right for you at this point in your life. You lack both the stones and the judgment to make it work. " ^ This. Not trying to offend you or anything, but this is the most sound piece of advice in the thread. It's no big deal, we've all made mistakes. But you probably need to slow it down a bit and stick to the part of the pool where you can touch the bottom before jumping back in the deep end.

Hey twentyfive I literally wrote "And you did make it sound clueless and somewhat creepy lol." The guy said he had an appointment so I'm going to take it that he did. I'm only writing on the thread for other noobs who might be reading. The OP sounds like he's found his strip club Juliet but maybe wants keep it ITC for now.

^ I agree with clueless, but still this woman indicated she had children at home, I dunno, but it just sounds like a bad idea all the way around.

"I wasn't intending on picking up a dancer that night so I hadn't already set up some less trackable modes of communication in advance which is regrettable." All it would have taken is a simple google search of how to create an internet number, and you could have contacted her within an hour of getting her number. "I spent some time waiting, in case she might have tried to come back." So you thought she would just hang out in a random section of her apartment complex in the off chance that you would come a bit late?

I think some of you guys are being a bit too critical of galabad, this is his first time doing this and instead of being supportive we are just pointing out all his mistakes. I remember my first OTC, I did a lot of dumb shit that I've never do nowadays. Thinking back, I probably took some pretty big risks and am lucky nothing bad happened. It's ok galabad, you live and learn, and there is no shame in being a little paranoid. Who knows, maybe she was an undercover cop and you just dodged a bullet.

Phone services... TextMe is popular. Burner App is also a commonly used service. Get thee to Google to figure out which is best for you. It's fine. You didn't know what you were doing. We've all been there. I would also suggest that you have these meets in a neutral location (a hotel) and not her place or yours. At least in the beginning.

Also note that Android at least has a "Secure Folder" where you can install apps and they aren't accessible to anyone who doesn't have the folder pin. I'd be surprised if iPhone doesn't have something similar.

I haven't been this disappointed in a discussion on the forum in a long time. Read through all that.... and nothing. Not gonna lie, after your initial post I was thinking the odds of you actually making the OTC meet happen was low.

^failures often are more interesting case studies than successes

Plenty of phone/text services that don't require link to primary phone number. Google, and you shall find.

@galabad, a few other things that I don't think have been mentioned: When getting OTC pussy, you have to negotiate 3 important things with the dancer: Price. Duration. And Rounds. The price is obvious, how much she is willing to have sex for vs how much you're willing to pay. A good range I'd say is between $200 and $300. If she demands anything over $400, she is probably overcharging. Duration. Ask her how long the fun will last. Most dancers will offer an hour or two. But depending on your schedules, you might have to shorten it to half an hour. The important thing is you don't want to rush it. And lastly is how many rounds will she give you. By rounds I mean how many times you can fire your gun. So if you have a "sensitive trigger", you should definitely ask for at least 2 rounds (or for 1 hour so if you shoot your load under 5 minutes, you'll have time to go again). But just know that some girls will charge extra for another round.

OK galabad, I'm going to assume that any perceived rudeness or creepiness was a function of inexperience rather than true intent. As someone who has done more of these meetups than I can ever remember, I'll just offer a few words of advice. First, get a secure way to communicate so that you don't run into these challenges again. You're hardly the only guy with a SO looking to get a little side ass. Second, maybe focus on arranging same night OTC until you get a few of these under your belt. They are the simplest to arrange as the girls are already out and looking to earn. I have no doubt that the girl you drove home would have said yes if you offered her an earning opportunity that night. Always be ready to strike when the iron is hot, lol. Third, everything that Mike Rotch said above, do the opposite, lmao. Well, maybe not everything, but just keep it simple on the price negotiation front. You're probably going to overpay a little in the early days until you figure out your local market and that's OK. You'll figure it out eventually. But unless you are in one of the large metro markets (NYC, L.A., maybe Dallas, etc.), consider holding the line at $400-500 until you're understanding of the local market is better. But I wouldn't engage in time/round negotiations as it will make some of them less inclined to see you OTC - they are strippers, not STG girls. Finally, find a discreet way to finance this stuff, including paying for hotel rooms. Again, you're hardly the only guy looking for side ass. A lot (or most) of these girls can't host. You'll need a bank account and a card that do not track back home in order to capitalize on potential future opportunities. In any event, good luck.

Get a burner phone or use a text app. Use cash. No need for a second bank account IME. No need to have any digital trail of your activity. I have never pre discussed time involved or rounds. But you should figure out expected $ ahead.

===> "Use cash. No need for a second bank account IME. No need to have any digital trail of your activity." 3131, he has a SO at home and he has an employer, which means that his paycheck is direct deposited. So there is already a digital trail every time he withdraws a large sum of money, which his SO would probably see at some point. The idea of a second bank account is to be able to divert a discreet amount of his paycheck elsewhere and have a mailing address which is somewhere other than his house. So when he rents a hotel or withdraws play money, it's not coming from an account attached to his home. This is the only way that I was able to play on the side before I started my own business.

After missing the meet up, a second visit to the club and a private dance would have been a good move - if you wanted to see where the relationship might go.

I'll take "things I fucked up and then tried to retcon so I don't look like such an idiot" for 2,000, Alex. Every point raised by others is miraculously rendered invalid by things you "left out". How convenient. Google Voice is convenient as fuck, but not all that "secure". You can turn notifications and incoming calls off an on anytime you want, so things don't ring through. And given that your phone carrier knows pretty much exactly where you are at any given time while you're carrying your phone, even if you're using a VPN, other apps aren't going to be any more "secure" either.

Now that we've had our fun, let's roll this back. "I was just curious to see what might happen" Don't make plans that you can't follow up on. That's rule #1. Strippers can flake because strippers. Customers flake or do other weird shit and that gets around. You can get blacklisted fast at the club. "...if, at the end of the ride, she told me to bug off, I would have been fine with it and called it a small adventure from my otherwise mostly boring, staid life, and probably would have felt mostly relief." You need to think about whether you actually self-sabotaged on this. There's been a lot of debate on the TUSCL forums about whether its a brag board or a place to speak some version of truth. Not everyone's a fan of sharing their outtakes, but if you read enough here you'll see them. Escorts and straight up hookers are like the kiddie pool. Taking strippers out of their natural habitat is something altogether different, and not something you do just because you're bored. The hobby is something you go into because you want to up your consumption of hot chicks doing freaky things. ITC is enough for most dudes, unless there's something they like that is hard to do in the club. OTC gets you more options but that is really the only upside. Almost everything else about it is downside with most girls, unless she likes you enough to put up boundaries between her drama and your situation OTC. With my older lineup I don't think I appreciated that enough until I tried to replace them with these 20-something chickenheads. "Now I really don't know what I'm going into. I'm not sure if this is a date or if this is more of a continuation of last night where I'm paying for some extras." Luckily for you TUSCL was here to disillusion you and to call you names lol. It's not a date. You'll know when it's a date. Best thing you can do with where you're at is not to try and date strippers. That's probably not what you want.

I welcome a nice time with a pretty girl.

@galabad: another thing tj]hat may not be super obvious here is that among the tuscl otc hounds, many do meets when they are out of town for work. They're not sneaking around in the same city where their so, friends and family live, and have plenty of time/opportunity to get down to business. Some of the anxiety and hesitation you are wrestling with might reduce if you did this when you were far from home. Just a thought.

Wall touched on this already, but I'll suggest that you might want to stick to ITC stuff if what's available in the club works for you. Get confident with that until you sort out if OTC is right for you.

I'm probably getting ahead of myself, but let's say you do go through with the meet and everything works out fine, that's when you have to be real careful. Because it's easy to fall into the fantasy that she likes you. I've fallen for it myself dozens of times. But remember this: there is only one thing in your pants that she's after, and it ain't your dick. It's your wallet. And she'll try every trick to get you to separate you from your money. So when you eventually draw the line, and she starts giving you lip or drama for any reason, cut that bitch loose. Remember, you are the hand that feeds, and when they bite that hand, you gotta put these thots in their place. Even if it causes them to leave. Don't fucking worry about "oh she's gonna spread negative things about me now" So fucking what? There will be other clubs, and new strippers, and many more thots that gladly do OTC with you. Strippers are 100% replaceable and don't you ever forget it.