I don’t know that it’s necessarily fake. There are a lot of random people doing onlyfans, some could only have like 10 subscribers. Theyre not saying all of them are popular highly viewed users. That 3 million could include a random guy with no following uploading videos of himself jerking off. Maybe it could also include an account that just reposts pre existing porn videos.
Money man is correct. When you open an account just to look at others, you have the ability to “post“. Theoretically, you are a creator. Numbers inflation.
Lol everyone and everything manipulates info these days so no surprise there!
Idr exact numbers but iirc girls automatically are top 1% or 0.1% or whatever if they just make a regular unremarkable full time job income lol so that should tell ya something.
To what degree is OF cutting into the strip club business, do you all think?
@elitas has an interesting discussion up about the Miami club theme in which he observes it's overall gone downhill since 2018, which he attributes to OF and webcamming in general.
I'm a little more skeptical, and think the market for pornographic content is pretty different from the market for in person services. Remember actually buying porn? People aren't doing that now, I think OF / webcamming is definitely cutting into that market. I don't think Strip Clubs are as impacted by this, and if you'd argue they're going downhill recently, I would suggest that's more due to inflation and a shakier economy.
But, I'm not totally confident I'm right about this, what do you all think?
I dont know the extent it cuts into strip club business. The thing is there is crossover. There are strippers who also do onlyfans and who also do OTC. There are escorts who do escorting and onlyfans. There are onlyfans girls who are also on twitter or instagram who also do meetups. The famous pornstars all seem to have their onlyfans page and many of them also do meetups.
Anything with OTC availability will affect the strip club business. I think onlyfans and online porn in general, could be competition for strip club customers who just liked to watch dancers on stage and not buy dances.
Onlyfans also offers certain things that don’t compete much with the clubs. Like girls selling their used panties or fleshlights.
Internet porn already existed and was to some extent always competition at least for certain types of club customers. Onlyfans could further fuel that since you can also pay a few bucks and get one on one attention from a hot girl. For some people, there would be more of an appeal from a regular girl like an average OF girl or stripper vs a pornstar.
If you want to just get one on one time with a girl, the OF girls do that for $60 an hour or so, but it’s virtual.
@Phred i wasnt aware that the user accounts opened by customers also count as creator accounts on onlyfans. I was just basing it off different escorts or online girls or a couple strippers who made onlyfans pages. Even a civvie girl actually. All their accounts were very low subscriber counts, not much content. But they would still be considered “creators” even from having one subscriber.
as I mentioned in another thread, a friend's son lives in a Miami high-rise where every female claims to be an OF model. I am still in disbelief that girls are unashamed to call that their career and that they are all making enough to live in some pretty damned expensive apartments. If they're sugaring, or dancing, or escorting on the side, I would find it more plausible to afford it and claim OF as a main income stream. Having said that, I also want to say that I feel it is extremely wrong for schools and other employers to terminate or force ultimatums upon employees who moonlight on OF. Unless there is some moral turpitude clause in the employment contract AND the employer can clearly demonstrate that something on that individuals OF stream is revoltingly deviant, then the employee should be free to earn a second income.
^ that’s an interesting take. I think every OF model may not realize it but they should be extremely thankful they were fired. Every time this happens it seems it makes national news and probably even international news. Because of this exposure that OF model that was just fired gets tons of new subscribers, it’s hard to tell how many thousands.
I’m just making up these numbers but let’s just go with it:
Teacher moonlights as OF model in rural Ohio, has 100 subscribers.
Teacher gets fired gets photo and info splashed across every major news app in the country and even internationally. 1 month after news story breaks she now has 25,000 subscribers.
There’s another article (maybe posted here) where a recently fired teachers claims she’s made 1 million on OF since her story of getting fired has made the news.
To me she was average looking at best, but if she’s exposed to millions of people, there’s going to be thousands of people that think she’s the hottest woman on the planet. After all we all have different tastes.
There’s this former playboy model (not an official playmate) that I’m in love with. Most guys on here would probably rate her as average looking. She has an OF account, and several other accounts on Twitter, multiple Instagram accounts, FB, etc. promoting herself and she doesn’t have more than 3,000 followers on any one account. She would die for the exposure some of these recently fired teachers have gotten…
Thats a good point that the firing would bring them major exposure. As far as playboy playmates, there is olivia fox/tayler mercier who i think is pretty hot. Idk if she has onlyfans but she does escorting for $700 an hour. She has a bunch of good reviews posted but its on her own website so maybe theres potential to falsify im not sure. But it seems shes heavily reviewed on TER too.
I agree that since theyre public school employees they shouldn’t be discriminated against, but I believe employment history/extracurricular activity arent protected classes for government jobs? So legally they probably can fire teachers for having OF? But IMO there shouldnt be any public schools to begin with
MissLexa was or is a school teacher and she tried hiding her face in videos but sometimes it would still slip out. It seems she may have just resigned but she could have pursued the getting fired route to get even more exposure than what she already has
@RonJax2 randomly re-stumbled upon this thread and when I said I felt like OF has had an impact on strip clubs, I meant in terms of the attractiveness of the dancers.
If your choices are post the same instagram pictures you already do on OF from the safety of your home and flirt with guys from your computer for double or even triple the amount you normally make or go to the club several times a week dealing with some creepy or unattractive guys who may take things too far and are intoxicated, which would you choose?
Of course, there is overlap. Of course, very few OF girls make those crazy amounts, but it's that potential that makes it attractive. "Be your own boss. Make your own schedule. Charge whatever you want. No tip outs. No getting touched. No drunk customers. Make millions!" Sounds pretty good whether it's all true or not.
Talk to dancers in the club. The overwhelming majority, especially if they danced during the covid shutdowns in 2020, have tried OF. Ask them if they are still doing it and why or why not. It’ll save you a bunch of time trying to theorize from the perspective of neither creator nor customer.
Even the rich OF girls are only charging maybe $10 per subscriber? Making $500, or $1000 an hour is still a big deal to them so some of them will meet their fans supposedly
@Elitas, good point here. I guess there's two markets to be thinking about here in terms of OF impact on strip clubs.
One is the demand for services. I'm thinking OF isn't cutting into demand in this market much. (But others have made a convincing point that OF models often escort/sugar too, so maybe I wrong here. Maybe some mongers have given up on SC in favor of finding SBs or escorts from OF and SA.)
Then there's the market for labor, which is a different thing than demand for services. That's what you're suggesting OF is cutting into. I'm a little skeptical on this (to @Hank's point, I would bring this up with dancers post-pandemic and the ones I talked to complained they didn't make any money.) Again, there's the whole SB/escort side of OF to tap into, so maybe it is indeed draining some talent from the club.
As buyer in this market, I wouldn't seek out fun on OF. It sounds like a lot of painful wading through scammy bullshit and fake profiles to me. I'd rather just go to an extras club where I can see and talk to the ladies in person before indulging. That's just me though. Maybe one day I'll try the sugar daddy thing and have a different opinion.
Interesting convo either way!
Some posters and even some dancers on here have claimed that some customers in strip clubs supposedly paid hundreds of dollars an hour just for a dancer to sit and talk with them during that time? No touching no groping no lapdancing and not even any air dancing.
If those customers exist i was thinking they may potentially be drawn to onlyfans girls who do one on one video calls. Basically a virtual version of what they were doing with the stripper
A lot of these onlyfans girls will also respond to texts from their subscribers. And will probably do voice calls or constant messaging for an hourly rate as well.
There are also the customers who cant afford or otherwise dont want to get lapdances and instead just want to watch the stage. They could also be attracted to sites like onlyfans or chaturbate.
To some extent, regular porn would also affect those customers and the industry at large.
There is also the virtual reality porn stuff now
I normally wouldnt pay for porn and i dont have whatever tools are needed for the VR stuff. You can still watch the VR stuff but the angles and everything looks off.
I did get onlyfans of a few well known pornhub stars for a month. It was stars who didnt show their face on regular porn sites. To me it was worth the $5 or $10 bucks to get to see their face. Although one of them was a scam and still didnt show her face… one showed most of it but would wear a mask around the eyes… another wanted extra payment beyond the monthly fee, for her to send a video showing her face. If its a famous onlyfans star, their videos and pictures often get leaked on the free sites as well.
Few OF/cammers make more than they would as strippers I think. If a woman would rather make less money and do no-contact sex work, her lap dances would likely be meh anyway.
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