Keeping Track of Songs

Shazam to the rescue... Look up the article here from Sinclair called "Useful Apps for Strip Clubs"

I personally like to announce it during lapdances. “Okay that was the first song,” “okay that was the 3rd song” that way there’s no issues and we are in agreement so there’s no disagreement at the end. Another thing I do when I sit down for a lapdance is say “I’m gonna pay you $100 (usually that’s 4 or 5 songs) when that money runs out ask me if I wanna quit or continue.”

I do the same as Shaylynn..it's helpful

It's easier to keep track if you nut yourself within two songs.

With a new dancer I make sure to keep track but never announce it or say anything. When we are done I ask how many as a test to see if she is honest and also for the chance that she shorts the count. If she increases the actual count I ask her if she is sure and tell her my recollection exactly as it was. If she is honest she usually agrees, and if she is a ROB and insists on the over count I will argue the point and say sorry I'm only paying for the actual amount of dances. Then I make note to NEVER get a dance again from her. I always count them unless I'm with my ATF(s) who know not to try to short me. That said, if I get a good LDK from a ROB that over counted, at times I will consider it a tip. I love getting a drunk hottie that shorts the count.

I keep count at the end of each song - and I mention it to the dancer too. I'll say something like - "That's one - right?" - "Ready for another? That's two so far." - and I wait for the dancer to reply before continuing. It generally helps to avoid surprises.

I sometimes get lost in the passion of the dance and have no idea of the count. Usually this happens around dance 3 or 4 and my brain still functions enough to ask her the count. I rarely ever go over 4 dances. If they are that good, I bring up VIP. There have been a couple of times that we both lost count but came up with an acceptable count.

I recently had an LDK from a dancer who didn't even know the song count. We were in the middle of song two when I told her to stop. I asked her what song it was and she said she didn't know. I told her I think it was the first song, and that's all I got charged for. Saved myself an extra $20.

I remember how San Francisco moved from lap sitting to booths and buying dances. It radically increases the cost, and it lowers the friendliness factor. Lap sitting was better because it was unstructured and open ended. So with booths, I've always prepaid, to avoid problems. Buying dances is a chump's game! Its for guys who just want to get clipped. Select and approach the girl yourself. Feed her front room money to show good intentions and to let her loosen up. Get to know her and get a front room makeout session going. Then, if available, you invite her to the VIP room, for FS. Then take her home with you to continue, and also keep on seeing her regularly. SJG Picketty, Stiglitz, Krugman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si4iyyJDa7c McCain, Opposes Obama Care Repeal http://www.npr.org/2017/09/22/552931161/mccain-announces-opposition-to-obamacare-repeal-bill-possibly-dooming-it GOP Senators who could block Obama Care Repeal http://www.npr.org/2017/09/20/552362082/these-gop-senators-could-block-republicans-obamacare-repeal

And when inviting her to the back room, wait until it gets to where its time for your own pants to come down. Meaning, let her get to the boiling point, where she really wants nothing except to be fucked. SJG

San Jose Guy have you ever even got a lapdance before. Let me find you a forum on Lego building blocks, you’d probably fit in better over there you fucking idiot.

Shailynn, your 192 proof Everclear bottle is calling you. SJG

Buying dances is the best thing ever if that is exactly what you want. LOL call me Donald Chump or Kim Chump On if it is such a chump's game.

^^^^^^^ If you had experiences with women when they let their defenses down and get civilian, you would not be saying such. SJG

Too bad Papi isn't here. He is the king of song information.

SJG, I don't want to get civilian like you say and you have no idea about my experiences with women and whether or not I've been able to get defenses that come down. You are projecting your own opinion of getting dances like it is an absolute truth. In a thread that is about keeping track of songs. I totally get what you are saying, too.

Once you get the girl to lower her defenses, and once you stop buying dances but instead invite her to the VIP room, it will be for a bigger block of time. You don't have to count songs, you just need to watch the clock. Buying dances is not conducive to getting very intimate. For one thing the time of a song is too short, and also she is under pressure to deliver, so you have to let her lead it. This is why just sitting with you is better. No built in structure. You only need booths or back rooms when it is time for your own pants to come down. If the clubs you go to don't have girls who you'd like to get to lower their defenses and get civilian with you, you need to go to some other clubs, or just go some place else. Most guys who don't want much emotionally intimacy with the girls are like that because they divide women into two categories. The girls are at least 18yo, and presumable so are you, so I am not saying that being the typical strip club mark is immoral. But I am saying that it is pathetic. Strip clubs are designed to separate marks from their money. The most extreme kind are known as clip joints. As I see it, the places that try to get you to buy dances are the modern version of a clip joint. And the real issue is, do they try to limit front room physicality, just to force you into the booths and back rooms. At the most extreme of US dives they do not do this. Girls are competing with each other to get you to go for back room FS. So their approach makes very little use of spoken words. The way to break out of the box is to use talk + money + plus just being open and respectful with the girl to get her to open up sitting with you in the front room. The best of this is an intense front room makeout session. At our local clubs all touching is prohibited. But such makeout sessions still sometimes occur, because girls know that this is the way to line up an immediate OTC. The girls who seek this are extremely good at makeout sessions. :) :) :) SJG Casino Royale, 1967, sound track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhmZULZXxWc&t=733s

Strip clubs are designed for taking money off of marks. But the good thing about them, the part that is 100% real, is the girls. No matter how they might come across initially, if you treat them like civilians and also respect that fact that they are there to make money, you will find that they are exactly what they appear to be, beautiful young women accustomed to dolling up and slut wear, and who can really blow your mind. SJG

SJG thanks for the well written opinions. You may not see it yourself, but it is clear to me that you still can't separate opinion from what you think is "truth". I totally have the ability to get VIP and OTC with my ATF and I can get intimate with her before we go get dances AND/OR VIP...with my pants on because that is what I want. I don't want the OTC and I change between dances and VIP based on my mood because the costs are equivalent (at my club) based on a normalized time. All I want in a club is a little of that intimacy like you mention prior to getting dances (including in VIP). And during the dancing I want to LDK. And I want it as cheap as possible. It varies a little on a regular basis, but it really is this simple. I really don't care about going about things in the club like you do. In fact, I'm about to go visit my ATF and get an LDK to start my weekend happy. And if I WANTED, my ATF would meet me OTC because I know for sure she does with other PLs. But I don't WANT that, unlike you. An LDK from dances, with my pants on, is EXACTLY what I want! (IMHO)

Well this forum is filled with LDKers. A few are honest about this, but most not. In LDKing the girls is not really opening herself up to you. She's just accepting your money and doing as you ask. Paying for ejaculation services is merely paying money to exacerbate your own sexual frustration. SJG

Is there ever a thread where SJG doesn't wander in and try and thread jack it to "how we do it all wrong" sheez. I've had him on ignore for a few weeks now

Just simple experience there Lurker_X. Sorry if it hurts you to hear it. Buying dances is for chumps, and it makes you look pathetic in the eyes of beautiful young women. SJG

Just a. Stupid question @SJG what does any of your bullshit have to do with keeping track of dances or songs ? Stop being a stupid fucktard.

SJG what you call some LDKer's sexual frustration is what I call, IMHO only, my sexual satisfaction. And I'm glad you live your sex life with the ultimate gratification by way of your own personal experiences. That's great (for you). Oh and you may want to write an article or start your own thread on your view of all things pathetic and chumpish. It is clear you are passionate about them and from what I've read of your posts you bring the chump game issue up whether or not it has to do with the thread topic. Just a suggestion.

Sirdancealot you remind me of me when I first got here. After my first encounter with SJG o tried to reason rationally with him. But after a few more times of this you realize he absolutely, positively does not understand that his idea of fun may not be someone else's idea of fun. It is utterly pointless to try to convince him. Look through the history or LDK threads and he is in every single one spouting the same bullshit. I even suggested that he just avoid threads dealing with LDK but nope, he enters every single thread. Which is why my responses to him these days resemble all the other long time poster responses to him: FUCK OFF, SJG!

Now to be on topic, I find myself trying to keep track of songs but when the dancer is doing an amazing job I lose focus. Sure happened last night with all the 3 for $40 dances I got. Guess that's a PL skill I have to hone: totally enjoying the dances and still being able to somehow keep track of songs.

I started SCing in Dallas in the 2000s and in the 10 years I lived there I SCed there pretty-regularly and never really had any issues w/ song-lengths or over-counts (that I can recall, or noticed). Moved back-home to Miami end of '09 but did not start hitting the clubs hard till around the time I joined TUSCL in early-2012 - this is when I started hitting the all-black MIA clubs more-regularly which are a different animal. Not uncommon in many a black strip-club IME for the DJ to think he's in a hip-hop club instead of a strip-club and for him to start mixing-and-cutting songs and cutting them as short as 30-seconds w/ the dancer telling you "that's a new song" every 30 or 45 seconds. One eve in early 2012 I was at a small MIA all-black club - a dancer had been dancing me no more than 3-minutes but I was having a hard-time keeping track of the song-breaks - I ask her if were were still in the first song and she tells me we've done 4-songs already - I ask her to stop and pay her (luckily only $5/dance) - I sit back, take out my cell and open the stopwatch app - start listening to the songs closely and sure enough every fucking song the fucking DJ was cutting at 30 or 45 seconds trying to impress the crowd w/ his DJ skills w/ no mind or care there are custies that get dances and paying per song. I mostly hit all-black clubs where the DJ talks all the time instead of just b/w songs as in a normal club - so one can't key off of him - also he bleeds songs together w/ no hard-break thus very hard to tell which song is which especially for older custies unfamiliar w/ modern hip-hop music. It was at that time in 2012 that I started asking dancers b/f they start dancing for me to tell me every time they start a new song - and I also often turn on my cell ph stopwatch to see what kind of value/song-lengths I'm getting - even this way some bitches still have the gall to over-count (they'll tell you it's song 3 and 3-minutes later tell you it's song 6, but this happens less-often). It sucks to have to do this but I prefer it to going thru an argument over song-count.

TFP, Sirlapdance. and Twentyfive, sure you can go into a strip club and buy dances. But if it is a fairly lose club and where girls will typically sit on your lap, that is a phenomenal opportunity to get friendly with her and keep it entirely civilian, while at the same time still respecting that she is there to make money. The front room is completely unstructured. So you guys have your head up your asses and you look ridiculous, when you talk about buying dances. SJG Tied up in political matters now.

Mary Jane frequently fucks up my song count. Not a problem, though, because I trust strippers.

SJG you still make ASSumptions about what I do in a club. LOL for the last two nights in a row I spooned and rubbed my dick between my ATF DS ass cheeks for 20 minutes straight before a VIP one night and dances the other night. I get all the civie time that I want with my ATF DS. We cuddle and spoon and I can rub my dick up in her ass cheeks whilst also rub on her ass and back and legs all that I want. And even for an hour if I want. Like you say, that free civie spooning time that I get with her is really is awesome whether it is a prelude to VIP or dances with me (IMHO). But really, you act as if I didn't know that already and you act as if that you're the only one that knows this. LMAO to me you are acting like 'Captain Obvious'. Of course a PL gets as civie as possible! Now I hope you can move on with your OT points. They aren't very enlightening, IMHO. And now you are repeating yourself like no one had seen your posts before. And LMAO you talk about my head in my ass and you can't even see still that you do nothing but make arguments based on false ASSumptions. You don't even see it yourself but you keep making them. You keep documenting it too. But LOL no worries, I will certainly point it out. Oh and I'll also point out that you still haven't posted per the thread topic.

^^^^^ beautiful! I'm mainly talking about the spooning/assjob with the DS. Oh, and I guess putting SJG in his place is cool also. Lol.

TFP it is absofrigginglutely a beautiful thing to sit behind my ATF DS and rub my hard as a rock cock in her perfect 40" ass as I also massage her all over. And look down at her 38" DDD cleavage. And when my hands get down to her ass I even clap both cheeks and squeeze my dick with them. If I jiggle her ass it jiggles my dick too. It's basically a constant dick tease. LMAO one of these days I'm going to LDK by it alone even before the dances.

I had my first dick out between her ass cheeks dances at Follies a couple weeks ago and it was a wonderful thing. I just might be able to LDK from that.

joc13 FYI I am talking about clothed spooning and sitting at the bar or at a table with my ATF DS. This is before any dances or VIP. It's definitely great during a dance and if my dick were really out it would be even better, but the nice thing about civie spooning is that it is prolonged contact and so even though it is not quite enough to LDK, it is enough to keep me in a perpetual state of boner. And to me it's that perpetual state of erection that is so beautiful about it. Also I don't know if I want to do it to my ATF DS, but I was talking about LMAO premature LDKing whilst civie spooning, even before getting VIP or dances. I want to try it once just to see if I can.

SirLapdancealot, If this was like the first time you met the girl yes. But you keep seeing her in the club, and in the club only, that makes you a Pathetic Looser! Pathetic Looser, even if TFP is too stupid to see it. SJG

SJG that is a nice OPINION from on PL to another. LMAO you still think everyone else should club like you. And IMHO that's what is really pathetic - you not being capable if separating what you have as OPINION from FACT. Especially when we have already gone back and forth on that point earlier. So if you keep trying to repeat your same opinionated point moving forward, realize how pathetic you look whilst doing it. LMAO you are a broken record now. You've made no further contribution to the discussion other than repetition (now ad nauseum). I agree, I'm a PL. You can move on with it now. And ROFLMAO, you STILL can't contribute to the thread topic!

Sir, have you seen his ongoing book topic where he keeps posting on and on basically to himself? It gives you a idea of the kind of person you're trying to reason with here. There's something clearly wrong in that head of his. I truly think that one day I will hear of a madman who went crazy in San Jose and was incarcerated or worse and then we'll mysteriously never see another post from SJG again.

Now to make an on topic post. I was reading reviews of Deja Vu COI as part of my research for possible club stops last week. I was surprised to read that they actually have machines that you pay that regulate the dances. Putting in $20 during the day gives you a straight 4 minute time limit, no matter how long the song is. So that wipes out the chance of the dancer shorting you in songs. Only disadvantages I see are it also means a dancer can't show some love by giving you extended time. And it seems like such a mechanical process that it might be off putting. I was tempted to stop by just to check it out. But I didn't like what the reviews were saying about the quality of girls and the experience.

No TFP I haven't seen the book and I couldn't give a rat's ass about it. SJG's clearly documented posts within this thread already explains enough.

TFP another possibility is that a clock starts at the beginning and you pay up at the end based on whatever the time and rate end up to be. Like taking a cab ride.

Sirlapdance and TFP, fucking idiots, guys who pay money to be able to be made fools up and to look pathetic in front of beautiful girls. You two give me the creeps! SJG

LMAO SJG, just some friendly advice...maybe you should just focus on the ladies at the club instead of obsessing about what the other PLs a doing to have a good time. I promise you that if you stop checking out other guys getting dances at a strip club, it won't be as creepy. I would have never thought to be creeped out in a SC by checking out other guys so much. I'm too busy cuddling, spooning, and rubbing my boner in my ATF DS ass cheeks to care! My dick is so hard I can't think of anything else!

Focusing on the ladies is why one ends up in makeout sessions, and with the door opened to whatever after, instead of just being a fool and getting their wallet drained. SJG To be able to make music like this! Don't know who the girls is, but if she is around when it is time to take a picture... I think this is a bootleg album https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ULMxxlbdg&list=RDN9ULMxxlbdg#t=601 SJG

LOL you still can't just let it go, can you SJG? You always have to preach your OPINIONATED way of spending time with dancers as if no other way is fun. You are nothing but a one track minded troll at this point in the thread. LMAO so how do you keep track of songs? I haven't seen you post with respect to that yet. Also LMAO if you think this is foolish clubbing, I just got back from another well spent total of $85 for over two hours with my ATF DS. It consisted of 30 min of "civie cuddling time" with my dick rock hard between her ass cheeks as we spooned at the same bar stool. Every now and then I would jiggle her ass cheeks with my hands and essentially stroke my dick with them just to keep my hard on the whole time. Also she would grind and gyrate her hips on it too to the beat of the music as I grinded back as well. It wasn't LD aggressive stuff. Just subtle teasing on my dick again just to keep me in a perpetual state of hardness for the entire time. Then I watch her onstage and then we go smoke a joint ($5 cost) together for another half an hour. Then for 15 more minutes we spoon at the bar some more and again the whole time I've got a raging boner. And this time it is a little more aggressive. She presses and rubs all parts of her ass on my hard dick as we both also talk and groove to the music. It is all just civie style convo and teasing and partying together just like you and I both agree is a wonderful thing. I'm hard, I'm high, and I'm having a wonderful time with a beautiful woman between my legs. So far this fool has spent $5 in stage tip for 45 min of perfect ass teasing keeping me rock hard the entire time. And so what happens next is where I completely disagree with you that I'm some sort of fool parting with my money. I then (shock!) INTENTIONALLY get dances with her, and since I was already so horny from all that earlier civie teasing, they are awesome and again INTENTIONAL. It is a wonderful set of three high mileage dances ending in an LDK that she is completely cool with and I spend a whopping $75. And guess what? This will likely shock you, but it is exactly what I wanted. A wonderful 2 hours of fantasy with a 9 ending in an LDK is completely worth this "fool's" $85. I'll take it over anything you would want to do. LMAO and I'll bet despite all this, you are still going to come back with some reply about how you club with strippers is so superior. Like I said, you can't help yourself! Oh and by the way, the reason I knew it was three songs for the LDK is because I counted them and kept track of it all.

Lol I'm done even talking to that SJG dude. He's probably the weirdest person I've ever encountered on the net. Sir, I was just trying to get you to not waste your time trying with SJG as well. But at least in your clashes with him you tell some awesome stories about your strip club exploits. SJG never posts anything about his experiences....and I suspect it's because he doesn't have any. Instead, he spends all his time posting to himself in his many threads in here that are pages long. That no one else responds to, other than to ridicule him. Front room make out sessions were something he read about and turned him on and now he preaches it to everyone like scripture. Dude has probably never felt a female tongue in his mouth ever.

@TFP LOL I just think it is funny that I'm such a "chump", "creep", and "fool" when I'm the one with the boner in the ass cheeks of a 9 DS for half an hour just to start my night. And moreover I get to LDK every single time I see her whether it is from two dances or a 1/2 hr VIP session. It's all by my choice and exactly what I wanted when I came to the club. So how again and under what "logic" is this losing at PL LIFE? Sorry, but in that regard, SJG is dead wrong. I love spending my money on my ATF DS like I do. And I do appreciate your warning about him. Just note that I don't have any issue engaging or disengaging with a troll. At this point I'm just playing with him. I'm pretty sure he's the type that just has to get the last word in on an argument no matter what. So now I'm just testing the theory and having fun.

@Sir "I am talking about clothed spooning and sitting at the bar or at a table with my ATF DS. " Oh yeah, got some of that, too, and you're absolutely right. I like it when the stools next to me are occupied so the dancer has to sit on my lap (if the club allows it) or spoons against me by standing in front, back toward me. The girl in question did this between our dances and still reached around behind to pull me out and Nestle me between her cheeks. She's not really a DS, but it was still pretty hot.

@joc13 it is so good as a prelude to dances and VIP to me. LOL it's good LDK foreplay in my world. I get so horny for my ATF DS out on the floor with a constant hard on that when it carries over into dance/VIP land I just explode with a good LDK.

That things go well with a girl on the first visit to her strip club is great. But to keep on seeing her only at her strip club is what makes one a Pathetic Looser! SJG

me keeping a song count. next to impossible.

LOL SJG we know about your OPINION already. You've made the exact same point several times already. You are the pathetic loser that 1) can't move on with further contribution to the thread topic and 2) just has to get in the final word because that is how you argue. LMAO I am calling you out on it too, and still you just have to SAY THE EXACT SAME THING just to get in the last word. And I guarantee you will do it again to prove my point! ROFLMAO!!! LMAO so do you keep track of songs?

Sir, once again, just like me. One time for sake of argument, I tried to get him just to answer one silly question. He posted about 7 more times, not a single one of them answering that one damn question. It's even funnier here because it's the TOPIC OF THE THREAD! All we want him to do is make ONE on topic post. He is so ridiculous that he can't even do that.

"Buying dances is for chumps." is about 98% of sjgs posts. The other 2% are nonsense nobody cares about and him mostly talking to himself.

^^^^all of the thousands of SJG posts summed up in one sentence.

2 sentences actually lol. Ok so once again for the thread topic, I'm gonna see if I can do a better job keeping track of songs. Then again, fuck it. I already know it's gonna cut into my enjoyment of the dances. The only rule I use and I think everyone already does is to never start a dance on the song it is currently on. Even if one is about to end and I ask for a dance, just wait for that entire next song to be done and then start. If she won't do that, I don't need a dance from her anymore. It shows she's not even willing to chill for a few minutes and do some small talk. A major turn off to me, I don't care how fine she is. Thankfully no woman has ever done that.

So on top of all that free civie time with a raging boner between my ATF DS's peach ass cheeks and also guaranteed toe curling LDKs, the other benefit to being her regular is that most times my ATF DS doesn't really care if we are off by a song or not. I can't help myself but count because I'm OCD like that, but honestly she doesn't even care anymore. Plus I can tell her I'm $10 short of a $150 VIP and she won't mind. ***ATTENTION @SJG (aka san_jose_guy)*** For the record, I agree that I am a pathetic loser with this post, so there really is no need for you to comment as such (again!). The point was well taken by you the last few times you made it. Like a true PL, I get dick teased and get to flirt with a 9, I get high with her, I get to rub my hands all over her ass with my dick hard in between the cheeks while at the bar, and I get to LDK with her as low as two $25 dances on up to a $150 VIP. I do this without shame as the biggest and creepiest PL that you have ever seen. Please understand that we already have agreed about all of this in your opinion. Thanks in advance!

And all in the strip club, instead of elsewhere. Does your wife need a process server, is that what the problem is? SJG

LOL SJG do you need lessons on making your point? That's the real issue here. You also may want to look into what it means to stick to a thread topic and also understand the difference between opinion and fact. Also, do you keep track of songs?

I always pay up front, so it is not as big of an issue. But also, you SirLapDance need to get your brain working. My point is that buying dances is a chump's game. Wrong way to interact with a girl. SJG

SJG when you repeat the same point over and over and over and over again it is clear your brain is the one not working. LMAO you are clearly a brain dead idiot and now officially this is my last interaction with you. It's no wonder all the TUSCL members said what they said about you in this thread. Good bye for good.

You are a chump SirLapdance, and you are a creep too. If you and any ordinary experiences with women, you would not go to strip clubs and seek LDK's, nor would you let them sell you dances. Nothing wrong with them trying, as they are there to make money. But a guy with common sense will steer it to front room intimacies. Save buying dances and back rooms until you have a front room makeout session going and it is time for your own pants to come down. You might notice I am posting less and less. That's because we have lots of new people on this board, talking about essentially the same things which were hashed over two years ago. SJG