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Strip Club Laws across the USA
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With the economy and jobs crises across our country one would think lawmakers priorities should be on FISCAL matters NOT on misguided attempts at legislating everyone's UNIQUE MORALITY.... However, in many cities & states there are proposals to do just that and in most cases it's Republican far right wingers who are initiating these draconian laws.
 
Unfortunately, these politicians and judges have little regard for the many people employed both directly and indirectly by this industry and use the guise of these businesses causing "NEGATIVE SECONDARY EFFECTS" as a means to legislate them out of business by imposing 6 ft. buffer zones between dancers and patrons, limiting the hours of operations, banning alcohol at these businesses and using strict zoning codes for location.  It amazes me that often times the FACTS from POLICE REPORTS show that Convenient stores, Liquor stores and other businesses (such as regular bars) have far more INCIDENTS AND POLICE RUNS than that of strip clubs... Still judges will often rule AGAINST the strip clubs and for these draconian laws based on "moral conduct" laws and interpreting that contact lap dances for $$ = PROSTITUTION... I fail to see the cause-effect negative "secondary effect" link of having a woman set on my lap and gyrate while I caress her as the same thing as sex for $$... and where is the HARM to society when it's 2 CONSENSUAL ADULTS?? Retired Supreme Court Judge David Souter extended the secondary-effects rationale to cover the content of nude dancing.

In conclusion, I am appalled by the relentless ongoing attack of the adult entertainment industry across our country often initiated by right-wing Politicians and groups.  It would be entirely different IF these establishments were indeed magnets for crime and in reality DID have more "negative secondary effects" than other businesses... but most of the times that just ISN'T THE CASE. Entire STATES like OHIO & MISSOURI have anti strip club Draconian laws in place and many clubs have CLOSED in these states. There are proposals in many other states mirroring Missouri & Ohio laws.  I feel for the thousands of good people who have lost their JOBS because of FASCIST-MINDED politicians and groups like CCV, and bad narrow-minded decisions handed down by Judges throughout our country that undermine our basic freedoms in our free? and pluralistic society with many different religious and moral beliefs.
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beaver, actually many of the lamest, most restricted strip clubs in the country are in some of the most liberal states and cities. You need to get your facts straight.
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Strip Clubs don't have a lobby now that the mob's influence is almost non-existent.
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rickdugan.... OHIO, MISSOURI are CONSERVATIVE STATES... ironically in CLEVELAND-LIBERAL the laws are loosely enforced and in CINCINNATI-CONSERVATIVE home of CCV laws are STRICTLY ENFORCED. MISSOURI-STATEWIDE LAW WAS INITIATED BY MATT BARTLE- A RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN... Although in some cases Democrats such as in Louisville are the culprit, it is mostly the RELIGIOUS RIGHT WING of the GOP which is the main enemy of adult entertainment even though the TEA PARTY GOP LIBERTARIAN clashes with the Religious right GOP on many issues...In the suburbs of DETROIT, MI-LIBERAL, laws are very "loosely" enforced...I am certain there are areas such as Seattle,-LIBERAL where anti strip club laws are strictly enforced, but again it's the ULTRA CONSERVATIVE RIGHT WING GOP that is the biggest enemy.
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beaver, Democrats are trying to change the Oregon constitution to take down strip clubs.

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The article reads like they are JUST attempting ZONING REGULATIONS.... Nothing mentioned about "no touch" 6 ft rules, limiting hours of operations... Some zoning limitations aren't all that bad....like not by church or schools...
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"However, in many cities & states there are proposals to do just that and in most cases it's Republican far right wingers who are initiating these draconian laws."

Whoa now, let's take it easy with the fascist comments, and it's actually BOTH of the extremes on the Left & Right in the USA that have it all wrong when it comes to the sex industry.

NY, RI, CT, NJ, MD, MI & CA are all "blue" states where pretty much (with a few exceptions) anything goes in their strip clubs. UT, KY, VA, and soon maybe KS are all "red" states that have pretty restrictive laws on strip clubs and/or pretty lame strip clubs in general. WA, DC, IL, MA & VT are all "blue" states that have pretty lame strip clubs and/or pretty restrictive laws on strip clubs. TX & SC are "red" states where pretty much (with a few exceptions) anything goes in their strip clubs. The so-called battleground states of FL, NV, OH, MO & NH are mostly restrictive when it comes to strip clubs, with the exception of maybe NV & FL.

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"actually many of the lamest, most restricted strip clubs in the country are in some of the most liberal states and cities."

LOL...just ignore our resident noob here kids. As per usual, he hasn't a clue.
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MasterGuy, you are mostly correct.... but ILLINOIS- blue state has some of the country's most "liberal" strip clubs in the country (E. St. Louis area) (Washington Park), but not the entire state as it's lame in Chicago. UTAH-red POLYGAMIST...lol... is probably the lamest state in our country with the most restrictive anti-strip club laws, MISSOURI & OHIO are close behind.
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"With the economy and jobs crises across our country one would think lawmakers priorities should be on FISCAL matters NOT on misguided attempts at legislating everyone's UNIQUE MORALITY."

Why would you think that for a second? Are you new to this country?

"in most cases it's Republican far right wingers who are initiating these draconian laws"

Oh, puhleeeeeeeeeeeze. Dems are just as guilty of legislating morality. They *do* generally have a different set of morals, but they make no less attempt to cram them down my throat and up my @$$ than do the Reps.
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MG: Just a clarification, Louisville, arguably the bluest part of Kentucky, also now has some of the most restrictive laws regarding strip clubs in the state. So the statement "actually many of the lamest, most restricted strip clubs in the country are in some of the most liberal states and cities" has some truth to it.
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Who says American "liberals" can't be Fascist (assuming the term was used colloquially). Conservatives inappropriately infringe on our freedoms because they think sexuality and nudity is evil. Liberals inappropriately infringe on our freedoms because they think strip clubs exploit poor powerless women. They are both wrong in their reasons in my opinion and unamerican in their overreaching disrespect for freedom. But they are equally bad as in most other facets of governance.
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"So the statement 'actually many of the lamest, most restricted strip clubs in the country are in some of the most liberal states and cities' has some truth to it."

No, it really doesn't, as I've shown quite nicely above.
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You are incorrect also about Maryland. Very restrictive with some but not much selective enforcement by county boundaries.
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KANSAS UPDATE
Lance Kinzer -- the Olathe REPUBLICAN....IMAGINE THAT A RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN. MATT BARTLE-(R) WAS THE MAIN PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR MISSOURI'S STATE WIDE LAW...
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"No, it really doesn't, as I've shown quite nicely above."

Yes, it really does, as I've shown quite nicely above. I said *some* truth, not completely and precisely accurate.
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Would agree its BOTH the FAR RIGHT & LEFT that are the main enemies. From my observations and studies the FAR RIGHT is slightly more vicious than the left.... Seems like the "CENTRIST" politicians of either party are dying breeds unfortunately...
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LOL...believe whatever you want to gmd...
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Matt Bartle scores victory against titties, Missouri a signature away from ban on lap dances
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Matt Bartle to strippers: Put your shirt on!
​Puritanical Missouri state Sen. Matt Bartle finally struck his death blow against the state's nudie bars yesterday.

After Bartle, a Lee's Summit Republican, threw a tantrum earlier this week in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch ("I've grown really frustrated with an overwhelming Republican Legislature that tells people we support family values and that we're social conservatives. And we can't get a regulation of the porn industry through the Legislature"), lawmakers rose up against lap dances.

Hey, there are elections coming up! May I suggest a "Tough on Titties" campaign slogan?

Bartle's bill, S.B. 586, passed the Senate 27-4 and the House 118-28 on Thursday. Now it goes to Gov. Jay Nixon, who will probably sign it to prove he's, you know, hard. Hard on porn.

If Nixon signs, the law will :

outlaw full nudity in strip clubs.

require a 6-foot buffer between strippers and customers. Touching won't be allowed. No word if nuns will patrol clubs to make sure everyone's leaving room for Jesus.

shut down adult entertainment businesses between midnight and 6 a.m.

outlaw liquor sales at strip clubs as well as drinking on the premises. So no BYOB clubs.

create a 1,000-foot buffer zone between adult businesses and schools, churches, day cares, libraries, parks, homes and other adult businesses.

"Most human beings understand that if you mix alcohol and women dancing in the nude, that's a tough combo," Bartle told The Kansas City Star. "Bad things happen."

Only if you've been shamed into thinking boners are bad. Hey, another slogan!

Bartle may have a point though. Just look at the debauchery.


Don't expect the clubs to take this lying down. A lawsuit is coming.

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Abe 10 months ago
It is unbelievable that in 2010 we are still worried about CONSENTING ADULTS paying a few dollars to have another CONSENTING ADULT stick her tits in his face.

Ben 10 months ago
DON'T LEGISLATE MORALITY!!!!!!!!!!

CAI 10 months ago
Why does he f'ing care?!?!

R Nixon 10 months ago
Go Matt! As a Republican conservative im glad you have finally laid down the law on the adult industry. This country is swimming in the filth of pornography and self distruction at an alarming rate. Im a fraternity man my self and glad to see you upholding the fine standards of the Beta fraternity.
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"LOL...believe whatever you want to gmd..."

Mockery: The tried and true tactic of one attempting to distract from the fact that he can't actually refute the facts or opinions presented.
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Drive stalls in Kan. to restrict adult businesses

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Associated Press, 03.17.11, 05:55 PM EDT

TOPEKA, Kan. -- A push in the Kansas Legislature to impose new restrictions on strip clubs and other sexually oriented businesses stalled Thursday because a Senate committee wants to leave the job to cities and counties.

The Federal and State Affairs Committee voted against advancing the proposed Community Defense Act to the full Senate for debate. The panel's voice vote didn't kill the bill, but it remains stuck, despite strong support for the measure in the House, which approved it last week.

The legislation would limit the hours and location of adult businesses, ban total nudity inside them and impose a "no touch" rule for employees and customers. But strip clubs and adult cabarets still would be allowed to serve alcohol, a key concession to club owners meant to ease its way to passage.

As the bill's title implies, supporters argue they're protecting communities from crime, blight and other problems linked to adult businesses, especially in clusters. But senators said cities and counties should impose regulations that work best for them, rather than having the state impose one set of rules.

"Local governments are capable of doing that," said Sen. Tim Owens, an Overland Park Republican who served on his hometown's city council for two decades. "Every different local area may be in a different situation. You have some very small communities where one of these places would impact them a lot differently than in a metropolitan area."

Supporters argue the bill is necessary because small communities often don't have the resources to fight adult businesses if their owners are willing to challenge restrictions or adverse zoning decisions in court. Backers have presented information from numerous studies linking adult businesses to problems, some dating back decades.
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Phillip Cosby, executive director of the Kansas City-area office of the National Coalition for the Protection of Children and Families, questioned whether the committee could adequately review those studies as it squeezed its hearing, discussion and a vote into little more than an hour.

"They waded through 40 years of evidence of negative effects and made a subjective call," said Cosby, also a retired Army master sergeant from Overland Park. "I can't imagine how they could have weighed that with intellectual honesty in such a short amount of time."

Cosby said he and other supporters will look for ways to get around the committee's resistance. Senate rules allow its members to pull a bill out of a committee over its objections, but such a move requires 24 of 40 votes, rather than a simple majority of 21. Supporters also could try to amend the bill's provisions into other legislation as well.

The bill's restrictions would apply not only to strip clubs, adult cabarets, book and video stores, shops that sell sex toys and adult arcades, but also to non-academic semi-nude modeling studios and "sexual encounter centers," defined as business that allow patrons of the opposite sex to wrestle or tumble together semi-nude.

The measure would require adult businesses to remain closed from midnight to 6 a.m. and prohibit new businesses within 1,000 feet of the property line of existing similar businesses or any school, library, day care center or house of worship. Semi-nude dancers at clubs would have to keep at least 6 feet away from their customers.

"The whole concept is to close them," said John Samples, the owner of two Topeka-area clubs. "They can talk whatever they want - but that's the reality."

Samples said if clubs go out of businesses, employees who are trying to provide for their families will be forced into seeking social services from the state. He also said his clubs are a safer environment for his workers than bars because of the security measures he uses.

Owens also questioned the studies on problems associated with such businesses, saying they're from other states. Committee Chairman Pete Brungardt, a Salina Republican, called the link "speculation, adding the legislation infringes on the personal liberties of business owners and people who want to patronize their clubs and stores.

"This group came down on the notion that local communities can fend for themselves in this area," Brungardt said.

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The term "MODERATE REPUBLICAN" is a paradox when you have the FAR RIGHT WING RELIGIOUS RIGHT GOP on one extreme (MATT BARTLE (R) MISSOURI, LANCE KINZER (R) KANSAS and the TEA PARTY LIBERTARIAN GOP on the other extreme. Fortunately, there are some "MODERATES" left in the GOP, but they are often vilified as RINO'S (REPUBLICAN IN NAME ONLY) if they don't meet the "PURITY LITMUS TESTS" from either the religious right or Tea Party GOP extremists who are attempting to eliminate the "MODERATES" from their party.... Many Tea Party & religious right candidates are running against the MODERATES of their own party... Democrats have similar ideological differences as the GOP does but not to the extremes that the GOP does and is more "tolerant" of diversity & ideological/morality differences within their party than the GOP is. Neither party is on record as being STRIP CLUB FRIENDLY... Democrats just more tolerant and less vicious to the Strip Club industry than the far right-wingers from the GOP is in many cases.
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A good example of a MODERATE REPUBLICAN is Indiana Governor Mitch Damiels who is vilified by the extremist Tea Party GOP for his endorsement of Richard Lugar because he isn't "CONSERVATIVE" enough according to their rigid litmus test, and also despised by the Religious Right GOP for his call for a "truce" on social issues.... Unfortunately politicians like Daniels & Lugar maybe dying breeds in either party. They get MY VOTES though...
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LOL...you don't *have* any facts on your side gmd, but again...don't let that stop you from believing whatever you want to.
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Looks to me like I do, and I'll continue to believe what I can see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears, especially since you have still failed to refute them. Mostly because you can't, but like the vast majority of your type, won't or can't admit it, so cover it up with bluster and mockery. Coincidentally, just as you are doing here.
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Well Beaver Providence Rhode Island used to have stripclubs which were more like interactive brothels until the legislature in this ultra blue, liberal democrat state, egged on by women's groups changed everything and diluted the experience. Vermont ultra liberal - no contact. New Hampshire liberal - no contact. Massachusetts ultra liberal - contact only in less than 5% of the clubs. Florida - Republican - great contact. Yeah its the Republicans.
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@skibum609, yes there are "BLUE" areas that enact strict laws, just as there plenty of "RED" states... Neither party is particularly pro strip clubs... Anyone who believes the religious right GOP is not responsible for some of the strict laws is wrong, just as anyone who believes there are entities on the far left aren't responsible for some of the laws...
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I wish there was some kind of guide to strip club laws in different states / cities.
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Religious Right GOP Groups that are anti-strip club...I am certain there are some far left-wing groups that are anti strip club...just couldn't think of who they are...

American Family Association
American Life League
Center for Reclaiming America
Christian Coalition of America
Citizens for Community Values CCV
Concerned Women for America
Constitution Party
Eagle Forum
Faith and Action
Family Federation for World Peace and Unification
Family Research Council
Focus on the Family
Focus on the Family, State Family Policy Councils
Moral Majority Coalition
National Right to Life Committee
Priests for Life
Traditional Values Coalition
Vision America
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I failed to mention SCOTT BERGTHOLD aka COMMUNITY DEFENSE COUNSEL, attorney who represents many of the above groups and bilks taxpayers and judges into believing his usual bogus junk science. A few more legal organizations (from the RIGHT WING) that actively pursue unfavorable legislation to the strip club industry are.

Alliance Defence Fund
American Center for Law and Justice
Americans United for Life
Foundation for Moral Law
Home School Legal Defense Association
Liberty Counsel
Rutherford Institute
Thomas Moore Law Center
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From the Kansas Wichita Eagle
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"especially since you have still failed to refute them. Mostly because you can't"

Wow, learn to read my tiny-dicked friend. Your assertions have already been refuted my by original postings. Carry on none-the-less...ugh...
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"Well Beaver Providence Rhode Island used to have stripclubs which were more like interactive brothels until"

...the then GOP Governor, along with some help from some key "conservative" state legislators, the state's largest newspaper, and a very few (basically one) extreme "feminists" (for lack of a better word) all decided to get together to pass a law to solve a problem that basically didn't exist in the first place.

"Vermont ultra liberal - no contact."

VT only has 2 real strip clubs. One is in a "conservative" central part of the state (Barre, VT) where the local far Right-wing GOP mayor has made it his personal quest to clamp down on that club. Both that club & the other strip club (down in White River Jct., VT) have basically some one-way contact only (the Barre club has some limited two-way contact in the over-priced VIP area).

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"New Hampshire liberal - no contact."

LMAO! Trying actually living & voting in NH for a while...like I did for a few years. Hint: It's NOT a "liberal" state by any stretch of the imagination.

"Massachusetts ultra liberal - contact only in less than 5% of the clubs."

Baloney. Try visiting more than just ONE strip club in MA before you make a wild assertion like that. The contact is admitting limited to mostly one-way only at many MA strip clubs.

"Florida - Republican - great contact."

FL is a battleground state, moron. Read a newspaper sometime...ugh...

I'll say this again...BOTH of the extremes on the political Left & Right in the USA have it all wrong when it comes to regulating strip clubs, period.
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MisterGuy, You are mostly correct it's the EXTREMES from both the GOP-(Religious Right) and also Democrats that are the main culprits. I will give some examples

OHIO- STATEWIDE LAW- NO TOUCH LAW INITIATED BY A FAR RIGHT GOP GROUP CCV =REPUBLICAN
MISSIOURI-STATEWIDE LAW-NO TOUCH-NO BOOZE, NO NUDITY,- MATT BARTLE-REPUBLICAN
FLORIDA- COUNTY BY COUNTY...STRANGE STATE FROM DAYTONA BEACH-VERY STRICT ANTI STRIP CLUB LAWS...TO TAMPA & MIAMI...LIBERAL CLUBS...BATTLEGROUND POLITICALLY ALSO

WASHINGTON PARK ILLINOIS-DEMOCRAT SOME OF THE MOST "LIBERAL" STRIP CLUBS IN THE COUNTRY
CALIFORNIA-DEMOCRAT- CITY BY CITY LAWS... BUT OVERALL PRETTY "LIBERAL" STRIP CLUBS
DETROIT, MICHIGAN-DEMOCRAT, PASSED SOME STRICT ANTI STRIP CLUB LAWS, BUT GENERALLY NOT ENFORCED ON THE OUTSKIRTS LIKE IN INSKTER
MEMPHIS, TN-DEMOCRAT... AWW... THE OLE PLATINUM PLUS CAUSED CITY TO PASS AND ENFORCE STRICT LAWS
LOUISVILLE, KY-MOSTLY DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED AND THEY PASSED ANTI STRIP CLUB LAWS- NO TOUCH, NO BOOZE AND ITS BEING ENFORCED... GO TO LEXINGTON WHERE IT'S FULL NUDE, GOOD CONTACT AND FULL BAR...

IOWA- CITY BY CITY AND A BATTLEGROUND POLITICALLY SOME "LIBERAL" CLUBS IN DES MOINES & DAVENPORT WHILE CEDAR RAPIDS IS LAME
ARIZONA- CONSERVATIVE GOP STATE AND PRETTY CONSERVATIVE CLUBS TO MIDDLE OF ROAD
INDIANA- MODERATE TO CONSERVATIVE STATE, MIDDLE OF ROAD CLUBS
S. CAROLINA- CONSERVATIVE GOP STATE, FAIRLY LIBERAL CLUBS
NEVADA- DEMOCRAT STATE BUT BECOMING A BATTLEGROUND- "LIBERAL" CLUBS, WITH LEGAL BROTHELS ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF VEGAS
WISONSIN- BATTLEGROUND POLITICALLY AND MIDDLE OF ROAD CLUBS
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FYI, THE MAIN ATTORNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR REGULATING & LEGISLATING CLUBS OUT OF BUSINESS NATIONWIDE IS SCOTT BERGTHOLD www.adultbusinesslaw.com www.strengthenthefamily.net

NEEDLESS TO SAY HE IS AFFILIATED WITH SEVERAL FAR RIGHT WING ULTRA CONSERVATIVE GROUPS

THIS GUY MAKES HIS LIVING DUPING CITIES AND STATES INTO BELIEVING HIS OFTEN "BOGUS NEGATIVE SECONDARY EFFECTS" STUDIES AT THE EXPENSE OF TAXPAYERS... HE WINS SOME AND LOSES SOME, BUT IT'S A DISTURBING TREND REGARDLESS....
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"Wow, learn to read my tiny-dicked friend. Your assertions have already been refuted my by original postings. Carry on none-the-less...ugh..."

Mockery: Still failing. Have a nice day.
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I don't think the important thing is the laws themselves, but how they are enforced. In my area, Detroit, virtually every strip club breaks many laws every day. If they all obeyed all the strip club rules on the books, they would all go out of business.
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As this article is being written some state legislatures across the country are making laws to limit your adult fun with the state of Kansas now attempting to join its neighbor the NO SHOW ME state of Missouri 7 also Ohio in some of the most anti-strip club rules for states in the country. www.mcphersonsentinel.com

With the economy and jobs crises across our country one would think lawmakers priorities should be on FISCAL matters NOT on misguided attempts at legislating everyone's UNIQUE MORALITY.... However, in many cities & states there are proposals to do just that and in most cases it's Republican far right wingers who are initiating these draconian laws, although in some cases Democrats are also join in.
 
Unfortunately, these politicians and judges have little regard for the many people employed both directly and indirectly by this industry and use the guise of these businesses causing "NEGATIVE SECONDARY EFFECTS" as a means to legislate them out of business by imposing 6 ft. buffer zones between dancers and patrons, limiting the hours of operations, banning alcohol at these businesses and using strict zoning codes for location.  It amazes me that often times the FACTS from POLICE REPORTS show that Convenient stores, Liquor stores and other businesses (such as regular bars) have far more INCIDENTS AND POLICE RUNS than that of strip clubs... Still judges will often rule AGAINST the strip clubs and for these draconian laws based on "moral conduct" laws and interpreting that contact lap dances for $$ = PROSTITUTION... I fail to see the cause-effect negative "secondary effect" link of having a woman set on my lap and gyrate while I caress her as the same thing as sex for $$... and where is the HARM to society when it's 2 CONSENSUAL ADULTS?? Retired Supreme Court Judge David Souter extended the secondary-effects rationale to cover the content of nude dancing, but at least suggested PROOF of these perceived negative 'secondary effects" to be shown which is now one of the end results of the myriad of court decisions handed down across our country.

In conclusion, I am appalled by the relentless ongoing attack of the adult entertainment industry across our country often initiated by right-wing Politicians and groups.  It would be entirely different IF these establishments were indeed magnets for crime and in reality DID have more "negative secondary effects" than other businesses... but most of the times that just ISN'T THE CASE. Entire STATES like OHIO & MISSOURI have anti strip club Draconian laws in place and many clubs have CLOSED in these states... There are proposals in many other states mirroring Missouri & Ohio laws with Kansas appearing to be next to go. I feel for the thousands of good people who have lost their JOBS because of FASCIST-MINDED politicians and groups like CCV, and bad narrow-minded decisions handed down by Judges throughout our country that undermine our basic freedoms in our free? and pluralistic society with many different religious and moral beliefs.  It is vital that club owners and individuals who value personal civil adult liberties be PRO ACTIVE in fighting the enemies of adult entertainment, as Attorneys & club owners cannot do it all.  Your state maybe NEXT if this disturbing trend continues.  If this issue reaches Politicians for a vote, it is often difficult to defeat these draconian proposed laws even in a country with 17-18% REAL unemployment... SAD indeed!

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So I've been checking this page for a while and thought I would share my review.

I am from the mid- Atlantic US. I researched this place quite a bit before diving in. I've only mongered a couple of times before this. I used Google Chrome to translate review sites in a foreign language, like lustscout. I decided to check out FKK Sharks in Frankfurt, Germany from all the positive reviews. I made my plans for a long weekend and went late last spring. I was able to get a round trip flight for under $500,which was a deal. Landed and with drew $900 euro from an ATM in the airport. I have two accounts I withdrew from, which researched how to do before hand. Took a $50 euro cab ride to Hotel Control which is a 10 min walk through a pleasant neighborhood to FKK Sharks. Hotel Control is a nice enough hotel for the purpose of sleeping. Like a holiday inn. Napped and went to Fkk Sharks in the late afternoon, Saturday.

Paid a $60 euro for entry was given a, bathrobe and slippers a key that opened two lockers. One for my stuff in the locker room, and one for my cash in the main area. Shower and locker room was very much like any gym's locker room in the US. They have mouthwash, spray deodorant, and hair gel around the locker rooms for use. Soap/shampoo in the showers. I showered every session with a girl. I wore the bathrobe and underwear around the club because I am a prude. You can wear towels and I got flashed a lot as men were adjusting, but really didn't see any naked guys outside the locker room

The main area looks like a night club, and a strop club had a baby. It's big with a nice outdoor section, with lounges, a pool, and cabanas. I did see one couple have sex my time there, it was in a lounge. Fun to see but not sure if I want to sit there afterwards. Since it was late spring, the weather was perfect to be outside all day a bit chilly to go into the pool.

The club was nice place to hangout. They provide a buffet, but I did not think the food was great. Other reviews highlighted it as good, but it wasn't, and I wasn't there for 5 star dining. They had a room that showed soccer games, I was expecting porn, but the workers said they changed it recently. There is a big bar in the main area which may be good place to view a lot of the ladies. However there is a lot of ppl smoking. I wasn't ready for all the smoke and felt fried from it by the end of my stay. Could only escape from it by being outside, wear there were no less smokers but better ventilation.

Men were there from all backgrounds and ages. I am brown skin guy and non of the ladies seem to have an issue with that. There were a lot of groups of guys which threw me at first. But I guess more of the groups were locals. Viva la Germany. I met several guys there for the first time too. When a girl asked, I lied and said it wasn't my first time there. Just to prevent any scheme.

Price points. Most sites are consistent with their reviews of prices. All In Euros: 50 for Condem sex with BBbj foreplay for 30min, 50 more for an hour and gets you more affection from the girl. 50 cum in mouth (CIM) ending, 100 on top for anal, which I did not partake...this time.i felt most girls I was with would be willing to do anal. There are a few more extras at different prices. For example, There is $200 an hour BDSM room, but most of the women would be the dom. I heard only one of the 100 women there was willing to be submissive. I may have to find her next time. I had 5 sessions, all ended with CIM, on hour session, which I would recommend.

Now for the women. Around 100 in the late Sat Afternoon. All naked, 99% stripclub hot. Mostly spinner types with few curvier women. 90% Eastern European, a couple Africans, and a couple of asians. If you look at a lot of Eastern European porn, these women looked like them, beautiful but a lot of similarities between them. Regulars probably could tell the differences. Besides the African women, not too many women darker than the Europeans. A lot would approach you, but if you are versed in US strip club game, a polite no to nah would suffice. A lot of the approach was like US strippers, but with a lot more options. Some girls want to talk, some are direct to the point. There were plenty of times were the girls were just standing around. It got busy around 10pm and started to ease back around 2am. I approached a few girls that I liked and got a good reception.

For the first time here, without much mongering experience, I would say the sex was great. I was with 5 women that day. Some were more enthusiastic, but each I ended with CIM, which was a dream for me. I chose the prettier spinner types. I think regulars have their favorites, but I was more than happy with my harem. I only tipped one that went beyond. Massage, many multiple positions (10ish) and a little rough handling. Maybe $50 in tip. She was my favorite too, and the most enthusiastic. I rested about an hour in between, next time I'll bring a book.

There were a few dozens rooms and cabanas inside and outside of the club. Some rooms had doors some curtains. Once you get in a room the lady puts clean sheets on the bed. You negotiate what you want, the prices are set. She wipes you with sterilizing wipes and gives you a bbbj before the condom goes on. They you have sex until you cum or times up. You may ask for things in the middle of the session, most likely she will agree to get a bit more out of the session. I know BBBJs and CIM are illegal in Germany as of July 1, but I am reading that it still happens, you have to be a bit more sly in asking.

I left around 3 am while a lot of the women I saw since I first got there were still hustling. Walked to the hotel, no issues of safety. Slept and went home the next day. All in all. The whole trip and experience costed me $1500 US. That's food, transportation, the ladies and board included. Yes, I got to sleep with 5 women and travel to Germany for $1500. I'm going to save about double and really go baller the next time I go. Maybe a couple threesomes next time.

Fkk sharks was amazing. Only negatives were the smoking and getting flashed old men balls. Smoke is pretty bad there compared to US standards nowadays. I didn't drink alcohol, which was extra, but all the free oj I wanted. I needed those electrolytes.
I research, and while nothing is %100, Germany is probably one of the healthiest places to monger, FKKs being government regulated. Months later all std checks cleared.

If you have been dreaming about heaven, go visit the closest place on earth.
Sep 2017
Oct '17
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September 26, 2017
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October 12, 2017
Background

New member here, but longtime lurker and also longtime LDKer. I have been LDKing since before the term existed. My first LDK was at Deja Vu in downtown San Francisco back in the 90s. I can't remember the details but I'm pretty sure it was unintentional. But over the years of PL life I have learned to refine and master it for myself as completely intentional and the ultimate intent of why I go to a club. I have other reasons, but truly the LDK is the pinnacle of what I want in a club.

I have read a lot of posts about not being to LDK by numerous members. They can't even fathom it for themselves and some of the reasoning just cracks me up. This article is mainly for you PLs and any PL that is open to doing it intentionally. By writing it I hope to contribute to TUSCL since I have I have benefitted from all the awesome LDK and overall strip clubbing information here.

Chapter 1: Why should you consider the LDK?

This is probably the first thing you should define for yourself. The way I see it, there are various ways of getting off and each one has a level or value. The lowest level for me is to jack off with my bare hands and lube. The highest level for me is to be fucking a hottie missionary, she has already came or is in the midst of it so her pussy is sopping wet, my hands are grabbing her ass and I am spreading her cheeks wide as I thrust, and, most importantly, she is rubbing my nuts. To me there is no better way to get off than this. And so an LDK is somewhere in between these extremes.

If I were to set up a 1-10 scale of getting off, here is how LDK would rank amongst all the others:

1 - Jacking off with my bare hands and lube.
4 - Handjob from a hottie.
6 - Handjob with nuts being rubbed from a hottie.
7 - LDK from a hottie.
9 - Really good blowjob with her tongue going crazy on the the bottom of my shaft and my nuts being rubbed from a hottie.
10 - Fucking a 10 in missionary, she has already came or is in the midst of it so her pussy is sopping wet, my hands are grabbing her ass and I am spreading her cheeks wide as I thrust, and, most importantly, she is rubbing my nuts.

Every PL will have his own scale and it is for him alone. Nobody else can define it. As you can see for me, an LDK is pretty high up there. But moreover, for me it evolved there. In my LDK inexperienced years it was probably at a 3. And the reason it can evolve is because you can refine the pleasure of it with time and experience.

The other part to this ranking is the literal monetary value that you put on each one. Again, only you can define this. The main point being is that with cost as a factor you can then consider the "worth" of paying for an LDK and then decide for yourself to do it. And from my experience it is worth it. The way I see it, I would spend the same amount of money to just go to a club without any happy ending, so it is a no brainer to end the night happy at the same cost. To me no happy ending is the zero on my scale above and it just cost me $50-$300 bucks which is about what I would pay at a typical night without LDKing.

Chapter 2: What to wear whilst LDKing?

I'm not going to get into too many specifics on this because it is a topic covered here a lot already. For me my #1 attire is my Foot Joy golf rain pants with no underwear. The pants have a simple double layer of VERY thin water resistant polyester.

The key to what to wear is basically thin and soft. And it can't create chafing friction. It may take some experimenting on what works for you, but you are essentially looking for materials that enhance the sensations on your dick and you shouldn't have anything down there that takes away from what feels good. Obviously nothing at all would be the best. Find attire that is as close to this as possible. A good test is to literally try on the pants or whatever and try to stroke yourself to a hard on with them on. If you can do it as well as you can naked, then those are good pants.

Also for me I like to wear a shirt that I can unbutton and if it is allowed/possible to do in the club I will do so. I love the feeling of all natural titties rubbing on my bare chest. And again, thin and soft applies to the shirt as well as pants. If I can't unbutton my shirt, I go with a golf or tee shirt. Nothing with pockets and seams and buttons on the chest.

Chapter 3: How to physically LDK.

Again, this is a very personal thing. I know there are guys that can't even fathom how I can LDK but now I'm at the point where I can't fathom why guys make it so hard. I can say for myself that the sensation of rubbing on the bottom of my dick with it pointing up at my belly is one that I have enjoyed during puberty and so that is probably why I can LDK without much issue. I used to look at playboys by laying on my belly and sort of dry hump a pillow as I looked at the centerfolds. It wasn't about getting off back then, it was just about what felt good. And LOL I was a virgin and it was also about practicing sex with a centerfold model. Anyway, rubbing on the bottom of my dick is a good feeling sensation so when I am getting a dance I maximize this position to its fullest extent.

On the flipside to the dick up position is when it is down inside your pants. This way, the top of your dick gets rubbed. While I may get a hard on in this position, I most definitely cannot LDK in it. Also I cannot LDK with my dick to either side.

Again the key is to find out what works for you and situate your dick in the position of maximum hard on stimulation.

Once your dick is set into position, then it becomes all about how to maximize the dancer rubbing on the part(s) of it that feel the best and keep you hard. Ultimately, this is the key: KEEP YOUR HARD ON and maximize the stimulation on it. Obviously not all of this is in your control and it depends on the dancer. This is the art of it. I'm not going to get into specifics again because it is so personal, but effectively you want to be doing as much of the same sexy things you would be doing as if you were having sex with the dancer. Like to grab tits when she is in the camel toe slide reverse cowgirl position? Do it! Also move your own pelvis the way you like it. For example I won't just sit there always. Sometimes I will gyrate my own hips or I will just push up and try to lift the dancer with my pelvis and press my dick up against her pussy and then let her grind on it that way instead of just sitting there relaxed (which I like too).

Also remember to reward good dancer behavior. I don't like to just tell a dancer what to do unless she asks. I like the art of trying to figure out the best positions WITH her through the act of it all. As soon as a dancer starts doing something right, that is when I give signals that it feels good. I may put out a little moan myself or do a slightly more aggressive pelvic thrust than others.

If, and hopefully, you are at the point of actually cumming, then just let it go. Especially if you are a n00b at it and can't yet control and pace it. There will be times when you are cumming or just getting to the point that you can feel one is coming on, and then the dancer will start getting out of position. There isn't much that you can do about this, so you have to just go with it or come back to it if she gets back into position. Again, this is the art of it.

And lastly, if there is any one golden rule of LDKing, to me it is to ALWAYS STAY WITHIN THE LIMITS OF YOUR DANCER. Don't ever get the dance to the point of her stopping what you are doing and calling you out. This will kill the mood if not the dance altogether. The hard on will be LOST. Again, this is the art of it. You can and should explore the limits, but don't push them to the point of no return.


Chapter 4: The psychology of LDK.

Probably the most important part of the LDK is to have the right psychology about it. So first and formost you should have the least amount of regret and remorse about it as you possibly can. Preferably none whatsoever. If you have some issue about LDKing then obviously it will affect your ability to do it. Understand that it is your goal and, pun intended, what you CAME for! So accept it and embrace it.

Also in the act of it I think it is good to look at it like you are masturbating. You are getting yourself off and so if you are imagining that you are actually fucking the dancer and it helps, then do it! Don't get distracted too much, unless you WANT to, about the other things going on around you. Stay in the fantasy of having sex with a hottie.

Most of all, RELAX and have a good time no matter what happens. And ALWAYS be positive.


Chapter 5: The business of LDK.

First and foremost on the business side of it, you need to find the dancers that like to do it or don't care or can't tell that you do. Don't ever try to convert a dancer or do one with her if you know she doesn't want that to happen. The best dancers of course are the ones that know and intend to get you to LDK. It is fully understood with my ATF but we have never once talked about it.

It is not necessary, but I prefer dancers that like actual sex with guys. If I'm with a true lesbian, she better be damn good at faking that she's into me and likes my dick. I like turning women on and teasing them myself so if I know the reality of it is a lost cause with a lesbian, it is a turn off.

As far as tipping, I won't always with my ATF because I'm so frequent with her, but it is always good to tip a dancer that has provided it as encouragement for future business.

And personally, I don't like it to be known that I LDK. I just let it happen and act like it was nothing. I go with a don't ask, don't tell policy with respect to it. If it is understood and implied with the dancer, that is good because then I know I have an LDK provider that has no issue. And if the dancer doesn't like it but doesn't know it, that is cool too. They key for me is to keep it low key. And LOL when a dancer says thanks for coming when it is over I just respond that it was my pleasure. Those are the dancers that know too but aren't calling it out as well.


Ok so that is it for now. I hope this can help some of you novice and potential LDKers out.
Jun 2008
Oct '17
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210/4
61/38
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September 19, 2017
2
September 19, 2017
As some of you have realised I made a second trip to New Zealand for three weeks from late Aug to mid Sept. Here's a brief overview of how I found things on my second trip.

Prostitution still remains legal in NZ. In my view this has pluses and minuses, the plus is you don't have to worry about getting busted as you guys say over there, personally I have never worried about it myself. There's also easy access to many working girls either through high street massage parlours or through many ads that can be found in daily newspapers or online. There's also street walkers in certain parts of the town after nightfall.

The minuses are that I believe legalising it means all the 4's and upwards think they are super models and finding a true beauty is much harder to find. In London there are enough girls that you could have one 10 a day every day of the year and still have more to choose from.

Backpage Auckland works well, the standard is a bit iffy but I managed to see an ad for a European Kiwi girl and her ad was really catching so I called her. I was captivated by her during our chat and after an evening at 'The White House' saw her. She was every bit as good as I had hoped and more, exceptional value at NZ$ 200 for an hour.

Be careful what you wish for if you want to see prostitution legalised in the U.S.A.
Sep 2005
Oct '17
10
91/6
232/59
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August 29, 2017
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October 15, 2017
"You smell nice." How many times have we heard this line, thinking it was "stripper shit" ? Maybe so, but IMHO, there is some degree of truth to this. I think they mainly appreciate that you (we) bothered to shower and put something nice smelling on prior to club visit. Still, not all fragrances are created equal. Which ones seemed to garner the greatest percentage of positive reactions, and which ones kept dancers one zip code away from you ?

Before I dive into the meat of the article, a word about terminology. Notice that title said "Fragrances." Men's fragrances are often called colognes, and women's fragrances perfumes. Technically, all fragrances are diluted perfume oil to varying degrees. The 3 most common concentrations are as follows:
1) Eau De Cologne-(EDC)- 2% to 5% perfumed oil
2) Eau De Toilette- (EDT)- 4% to 10% perfumed oil
3) Eau De Parfum- (EDP)- 8% to 15% perfumed oil
There is some overlap between categories. Indeed, I have seen some EDT's with greater projection and longevity than EDP's. Just another reason to try before buy, and not get taken in by hype or higher classification.

Now for the meat of the article, I have broken down the fragrances into 3 groups. Group A are fragrances that I personally like, AND have garnered the strongest positive remarks/ highest percentage of compliments. Not just "you smell nice", but going so far as asking what it is I'm wearing. Saying things like "you smell so damn nice", "I don't want you wearing anything else", etc. Group B are fragrances that either got a good amount of mundane "you smell nice" comments, or else didn't get that many, but the few they did get were a stronger positive reaction. Group C are fragrances that I like, but either elicited virtually no complements, or got mixed reviews. Group A is ranked in order, Group B and C in no particular order.

GROUP A: Reyanne Insurrection Pure 2, Bleu de Chanel, Polo Blue, Joop Night Flight, Ferrari Essence Oud.

Insurrection Pure 2 was far and away the leader. I've had 2 dancers at different clubs ask me if I was wearing Creed Aventus (a $300 plus fragrance, very well reviewed). IP2 only cost me ~ $25 online, so some good bang for buck there. The other 4 were well complimented too.

GROUP B: Polo Black, Dolce & Gabbana The One, Mont Blanc Individuel, Perry Ellis M, Perry Ellis 360 Black, CE Bigelow Elixir Blue, Issey Miyake Bleu. The last one is one of my favorites that didn't get that many compliments, but one dancer flat out called it a Pantie Dropper.

GROUP C: Cartier Roadster, Boucheron Jaipur Homme, Givenchy Gentlemen Only, Halston 1-12. The later (H 1-12) got a few basic compliments, but one night a dancer asked me if I was wearing Old Spice. (Translation- "you smell like an old man") Roger that, I confine H1-12 to church and appointments with my financial advisor.

WHERE TO BUY: Even in today's online world, I suspect a lot of people still want to try, and buy off the shelf. For people living within 5 miles of a major mall, Macy's, Sephora, etal, are no-brainer choices. For many people, it comes down to "Wally World." (Walmart or Walgreen's). The later because you live in a small town, or you're on a trip, and the only place you can find open for your 10pm club visit is, well, "Wally World." Amazon is a very obvious choice for online buying. You can get many fragrances amazingly cheap there. They carry many that you just can't find in department stores. One downside to blind buying is many online retailers don't accept returns, though in 2 cases I managed to at least get a partial credit of sorts.

FRAGRANCE WEBSITES: I would suggest www.fragrantica.com or www.basenotes.net. Either site is good for being an educated consumer, with reviews and forum sections. IMHO, Amazon reviews aren't that helpful because most of the people writing the reviews already like the fragrance and are utilizing Amazon as the best place to buy for cheap. Those 2 aforementioned sites have many avid fragrance enthusiasts on board who like trying every fragrance under the sun, and aren't bashful about expressing their opinions, good or bad. One reviewer samples the fragrances in the mall to kill time while his wife is shopping. He must have written over 200 reviews.

SOME TRAVEL AND BUYING TIPS

Those of us who do any amount of airline travel know about the 3oz rule for carry on liquids. I personally prefer 1 oz or less in carry on. I'm not a big fan of decants (often 1 to 2 ml.) One thing I noticed about air travel is that multiple cabin altitude cycles makes the fragrance noticeably stale. It takes a few days to recover to normal. In several cases, I wouldn't bother taking fragrance, but instead would go to "Wally World", and get a small travel size bottle to smell fresher for my club visits.
Lastly, whatever you do, don't rely on paper strip spray samples for purchase decision. Try it on your skin for at least an hour to see how it develops over time. In one case, I was initially enamored by the rich honey like opening in one sample. After 45 minutes or so, it took on a fertilizer like odor that just would not go away.

SOME CONCLUSIONS: Although YMMV caveat applies to fragrances too, it seems like dancers generally respond more favorably to Aquatic Type fragrances, versus Oriental, Spicy, Fougere, etc. I hope this article provided some enlightenment, please feel free to share your stories.
Operating Coast to Coast
Nov 2009
Oct '17
10
262/5
261/192
23
August 19, 2017
23
September 17, 2017
Some strip club patrons see a smart phone as a bulky accessory that they’d rather not carry around inside of a strip club. For me, my smart phone is a toolbox that allows me to play the strip club game at a higher level. In this article, I will describe a few apps that I use during my strip club adventures and how they are useful.

1. Shazam is a music identification app that uses your phone’s microphone to identify songs. I use a setting on Shazam known as Auto Shazam where you can have the app automatically run during the duration of time you are at the strip club. It identifies and generates a play list of every song that was played and how long ago it was played. The value in using Auto Shazam is that you can use it to fight back against Rob's that over count songs.

Take for example a recent incident I had inside a club: I did four songs in the private dance area with a dancer. She tried to claim we were in the lap dance area for six songs. I flipped my phone on and showed her the play list that Auto Shazam had put together. I said, “Look, the first song you danced for me was ‘Purple Rain’, then we did two more songs, ‘Cream’ and ‘Kiss’, and finally finished on ‘When Doves Cry’. The dancer was flabbergasted that I was counting the songs not only in my head, but had visual proof on my smart phone. She backed down from her position and seemed embarrassed that I caught her in a lie. If she would have kept arguing, I would have taken my data from Auto Shazam to the manager, encouraging him to verify the song order with the DJ and even check the clubs cameras until I was vindicated.

The only flaw of Shazam is that it might not be able to identify extremely rare music that is not commercially available. But since every strip club I have ever stepped foot in plays commercial music very loudly, Auto Shazam has worked flawlessly. An added bonus of using Shazam is that if you hear a song that you like at the strip club, you can identify the artist and title and instantly buy it from iTunes or Google Play with one click.

2. The most common question I get on TUSCL is: “How are you able to remember so many details about a club and write such detailed reviews?” The app that facilitates my profusion of strip club intelligence is called Color Note. The Color Note app is essentially the neon Post-it Notes many of us use at the office and at home, only adapted to a smart phone. I use Color Note to type up my observations and experiences in the clubs I visit during lulls in the action. Many of the details I would otherwise forget had I not taken notes during my visit. When it is time to write a review, I open up the Color Note app and use my documentation to write a TUSCL review with detailed observations, tips, price schemes, and descriptions and ratings of specific dancers.

3. A lot of the strip clubs I go to in rural areas or smaller cities do not have full time DJ. Music is played off of jukeboxes. TouchTunes has by far the largest share of the digital jukebox market. They have an app that allows one to control the jukebox via their phone rather than physically using the touchscreen on the jukebox. One feature of this app is that you can see what the next few songs to play will be. As you gain higher prestige levels on the app, you get to see more songs waiting in the queue. I currently have enough prestige on my TouchTunes account to see the next five songs lined up to be played. If there are long songs coming up, you go get lap dances. If there are short songs about to be played, you delay on heading back for private dances.

Since clubs with jukeboxes typically make the dancers pay out of their own pockets for the songs that they dance to, dancers try to get customers to give them a couple bucks to pay for their songs. Instead of handing them dollars, get them to sit down at your table and help them pick their songs off the TouchTunes app. This allows you to flirt with the dancer for a bit, and you can sway her to play songs with longer abjurations. Another added benefit of playing the songs off the TouchTunes app versus the physical jukebox is the per song cost is cheaper when you buy a pack of credits through the app.

One particular night I was in a rural cabaret, and the dancers were not interested in parting with three dollars every time they were called up on stage, since they were not making much money to begin with. I loaded my TouchTunes account with a bulk amount of credits and became DJ Sinclair for the entire evening. Under normal circumstances, I would not recommend playing songs on the jukeboxes without consulting the dancers who will be dancing to them. Many dancers are extremely picky about the songs they dance to. Keep in mind, all establishments with TouchTunes jukeboxes have a remote for the jukebox that can be used to skip over unwanted songs. The second biggest player in the digital jukebox market is AMI Entertainment. This company also has an app to control their jukeboxes from smart phones.

4. A stopwatch app is typically a standard application on most smart phones. If you do not happen to have one by default on your smart phone, Simple Stopwatch is a good supplemental. A stopwatch is a useful gauge for determining the time value of private dance options. Take for example a strip club that offers thirty minutes of VIP time for $150 or private dances for $20 per song. You could use your stopwatch app to determine what the average song lengths are. If songs are approximately four minutes in length, value comes out equal. If songs are under four minutes, say three minutes to three and a half minutes, the VIP time is a better value. If individual songs are playing for over four minutes, say four and a half minutes to five minutes, then buying dances by the song is a better value.

The most often cases where I have used a stopwatch app in strip clubs are when I indulge in set-length private rooms or VIP sessions (e.g. thirty minutes or twenty minutes). Many clubs and dancers like to cut patrons short on the time they thought they were getting. Often bouncers will show up before the time duration is finished, or dancers will try to bug out early. I will start the stopwatch when the private time commences, put the screen face down on a table, and check it when a dancer or club staff member tells me time is up. If I have been shorted time, I just show them the stopwatch that I have been covertly running. Usually this is enough evidence to keep other parties from shorting me.

Make sure to use a stopwatch app, which counts upwards, and not a timer app that counts down. Timers set off alarms when the time duration expires. Occasionally, club staff or dancers, whichever is keeping track of time, will not be paying attention and your VIP session may go longer than the duration you paid for. For example, the last I did a thirty minute room, the VIP hostess got caught up with other duties, and my session went thirty-seven minutes rather than the thirty minutes I bargained for, according to my stopwatch app. If I would have used a timer app, an alarm would have been set off and I would have screwed myself out of seven minutes of bonus time.

5. Six or seven years ago, if you asked me how what was the best way to keep in touch with dancers from the club, I would have told you Google Voice. Nowadays, I would recommend Snapchat as the number one option. I have yet to meet one stripper, or young person under thirty, who does not have Snapchat on their phone. Snapchat is a photo and video sharing app that also allows instant messaging and video chat. Snapchat can be used anonymously as long as you do not allow the app to access your phone’s contacts and opt out of the Snap Map feature. For an extra layer of security, sign up using a burn phone number and a burn email address. On Snapchat, you simply create a user name and that is it. One does not need to maintain an online identity like one does on Facebook.

The fact that you can view sexy photos and videos from your strippers and communicate with private messages, while keeping as anonymous as the two of you desire, makes Snapchat a very fun app. It is interesting to see vignettes of strippers’ lives outside of work that they post to their story. You learn a little bit about what their hobbies and interests are, and that makes conversing easier when you socialize in person. In the case that a stripper does not want to share their Snapcode or user name, fall back on Google Voice or any other burn number app.

From traveling around the United States to over two hundred gentlemen’s clubs, I have seen about twenty percent of strip clubs openly trying to discourage smart phone use in their establishments via signage. About eight to ten percent of strip clubs strictly enforce a “no phone” policy by way of sending bouncers after any offenders. In these instances, a vestibule, a patio, or the pisser might be the only places where one can use their smart phone, essentially preventing one from using their strip club toolbox. Feel free to share information about any apps that help you find value or gather intelligence in your strip club adventures.
Dec 2004
Oct '17
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7/6
97/25
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August 19, 2017
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August 19, 2017
A couple of years back, I posted a summary of Albuquerque Strip Clubs with the expectation that some of the visitors to Albuquerque’s famous Balloon Fiesta could use the information. I thought it time to update that summary.

Summary of changes to the Albuquerque strip club scene from the last report:
1. TD’s North is more open and available for fun than it was previously. Its rating is higher.

2. Knockouts is less fun than it was, and although it is still inexpensive, it is not longer the good deal it has been in the past.

3. TD’s Eubank is about the same.

4. I have not been to Fantasy World since my last report, but reports from others suggest it hasn’t changed much, which to say it is an over priced poor experience.

5. Club 203 near Moriarty has closed. Never a good deal, it will not be missed.

Albuquerque is a good, but not great strip club town. It is not an extras town, but they can be found with the right dancer. As usual, just ask. The dancer will likely say no, but you never know. I would say that your probability of getting extras has increased since the last summary I wrote though. The enforcement of strip club rules waxes and wanes in Albuquerque. I think that they are not being enforced too stringently these days. You can tell when the rules are being enforced because the dancers cover their nipples with latex. Part of the ordinance governing strip clubs contains a very old clause that the nipples should be covered, and so transparent latex is the solution. Most dancers will remove the latex if you get a private dance with them. Just mention it. Smoking is not permitted in any of the strip clubs in Albuquerque, nor in any restaurant and many bars.

The attendance at clubs goes up a little during the Balloon Fiesta, but not a great deal. Some dancers come in from out of town in expectations of making a big haul, but most that have tried this say it is not worthwhile. So you are likely to see the dancers that usually dance at clubs, not a lot of imports. There are some that come over from Phoenix and down from Las Vegas during the year, and those are usually here for the Balloon Fiesta as it is not a long trip for them.

Here are my suggestions for clubs to visit, in order of my preference:
1. TD’s North, off I-25 on the east side between the Jefferson and San Mateo exits. This is a clean club, well managed and with responsive help. The dancers range from mediocre in looks to very attractive. There is a variety of ethnicities here in which Latinas and southern California bleach blondes with bolt-ons dominate. There are usually one or two African-Americans and occasionally an asian. On a rare occasion, you may run into a native American. Dances on the floor are $10 and in the VIP $25 with no extra VIP charge. You can usually get a little stick shifting in the floor dances and a lot more in the VIP. If you are not getting what you want in the floor dance, cut your losses and find another dancer. If you like what you are getting in the floor dance, move over to the VIP, things usually get better. If they don’t, cut your losses and repeat. There are two VIP rooms, one with booths and one without. The one with booths is preferred. Bouncers check in once a dance to see which dancer has a customer, but that is all they do. I have never seen them interrupt a dance for untoward activities. Try to sit at a table on the wall as you will get a better floor dance there. There are some nooks and crannies in the club that offer some privacy for floor dances. There is a Champagne Room, but at $275 for half hour, I have not tried it out. Others tell me that with the right dancer it can be worth it.

TD’s North serves food, which is good and inexpensive, but not gourmet quality, and is open for lunch. It is ideal for a midday break as most of the Balloon Fiesta activities take place in the early morning or in the evening.

2. TD’s Eubank, on the east side of Eubank just south of Menaul. This is also a clean club, with similar management and practices to the North club. I don’t go here as often as I find the dancers a bit aloof and the experience not as pleasurable. I have never had a truly great dance here, either on the floor or in the VIP room, but you can get some stick shifting from the right dancer. Others have had great experiences here, so they can be had, I just don’t expect it and I am usually not disappointed. It may be that I just don’t come here enough and the dancers don’t feel comfortable with someone who is not a regular. I think the dancers are a notch lower quality than at TD’s North and the bleach blonde blot-ons and African American Dancers are scarcer. I don’t think I have ever seen an asian dancer here. The dances are similar in price to TD’s North, $10 on the floor and $20 in the Vip area. The VIP area, behind the bar, is not as secluded and private as the one at TD’s North. There is also a VIP room on the second floor, which costs $15 to enter and $25 a dance. I have not done the upstairs VIP room myself, but have heard from others that it is usually not worth the extra up charge over the normal VIP room behind the bar. So, get a firm commitment from the dancer as to what is expected before venturing up there.

They too have food, and it is good and a good value. I wouldn’t go out of my way to eat there, but if you need lunch and a strip club break at the same time, it is a handy choice.

3. Knockouts on Central between 4th and 5th street downtown. If for some reason you are staying downtown this is within walking distance of most of the hotels downtown. At $5 for a floor dance, $10 for a VIP dance and willing dancers, this used to be a bargain club. No longer though. While the prices have remained the same, the dancers have become less willing. The dancers here were never knockouts and are not now either. You will find the occasional gem, but the really good looking ones usually don’t do very good dances. The mix here is mostly Latina, with more African Americans than the TD’s clubs. The dancers here are usually on their way down from one of the two TD’s clubs, or dancing for experience until one of the better clubs will hire them. There is also a VIP room in the back, the Bubble Room, which the dancers try to sell by telling you that there are no cameras there. It is $15 per dance there and from my vantage point, not worth the extra expense.

Knockouts does not serve food and opens in the early afternoon, so don’t make lunch plans there.

4. Fantasy World, on the north side of Jefferson, just east of I-25. This is Albuquerque’s only nude club and hence also no alcohol. I find it a bland experience and haven’t been there in a long time, so some of this information may be old. But, I have not heard anything from anyone to indicate that things have improved. To enter, you pass through an adult book store. The dancers are usually under 21 as they can’t work at a place that serves alcohol until they are 21. As a result, there are a lot of underage under experienced dancers. Dances are $20 in VIP booths in a hall and $25 in the VIP room. A bouncer checks on the dances, often, at least twice a song so there is really no privacy and really no opportunity for extracurricular fun. If you have to have nudity, this is the place, but if you want to have fun dances, look elsewhere.

Resist the urge to visit Cheeks, Santa Fe’s only strip club. There is no fun to be had there and it is a dump.

If you are driving through El Paso on your way to Albuquerque, stop in at the Red Parrot or Cabaret for good times. If you are going through Phoenix, stop in at the Blue Moon or Hiliter. I don’t think that there are any strip clubs in Colorado worth stopping for.

Check the reviews for more specific information.

I hope that this makes your trip to Albuquerque and the Balloon Fiesta more pleasant.
Punta Cana, Dominican Republic
Jul 2017
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Jan 2017
Oct '17
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July 31, 2017
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August 17, 2017
After my friend told me about his experience with an escort, because his CF stripper was a mediocre OTC experience, I went for it.
My CF stripper is good in VIP but no full service yet...
I texted a girl I saw in the internet, blonde green eyes 5' 7" super model looking from Easter Europe, the ad said she wanted a respectful gentleman with sense of humor, and she was independent, no agency, in call and out call...
The rate was a bit in the high side but OK for Los Angeles. I texted a very professional but warm and courteous request for an appointment.
Hi "Rachel" my name is "CJKent", from Brentwood, saw your ad in the "internet site" and I would like to make an appointment to see you at your place. I was wondering if you might have time available "Next Day" at 8:30 pm?
Thank you.
Hello CJKent yes we can meet at my place at 8:30 tomorrow.
No mention of screening, or anything else, I googled her info and found nothing god or bad.
To make a long story longer, we texted the next day got the address, went there on time, brought expensive chocolates (the candy of love).
When she opened the door I couldn't believe my eyes, she looked even better than her professional pics, dressed in a form fitting cocktail dress, gave her the gift bag with the chocolates, she said "my favorites, thank you".
I asked if I could take a shower, everything in her place was nice and clean.
After the shower I walkend into the bedroom, she was laying naked in bed, walked to the dresser and put her gift on top so she could tell all was in there, and she just smiled at me and blew me a kiss.
I just followed everything I believe would make her feel secure, admired desired, I kissed her face delicately, her breast were natural firm C's.
I started caressing her clean bald pussy, touching her clit, then put one finger in, then two, I started to stimulate the area where the G spot is supposed to be, and she got wet really fast. I then French kissed her and she kissed me back, softly but with intensity.
After a few minutes she came a couple of times and my hand was soaked.
We moved to missionary (with cover) and she lookd like she was really enjoying it, and I was out of my mind, could not believe I was there with one of the most beautiful woman I have ever seen, she came one more time.
We moved to doggie, her feet on the floor and bend over the bed. I went at it with all I have I was going insane at the whole unbelievable sight and experience.
She moved her right hand at certain moment to push me back and my dick came out of her pussy at the same time she squirted, no like a stream, more like dumping a cup of liquid, got my feet really wet, I have never seen anything quite like it, not even in squirt porn.
She asked me how did you do that?, I did not answer, because I don't even know, I just went back in and gave her everything I had, I was sweating rivers myself, I had to get a towel to dry myself, and went back in with all my heart and soul, she dumped two mor cups of her pussy juice, and keep asking me how are you doing this? But I did not answer, because I don't know.
I think now it is like someone in tusl said:
"The cure for ED (Erectile Dysfunction) is a hot girl in her early twenties..."
I have never been so turned on in my life, the girl was super beautiful, sexy, sweet, nice the closest feeling I can compare is the first time I saw naked pictures of Marilyn Monroe as a kid.
I stopped because I came, I was exhausted and she looked exhausted too but I was as happy as one can be.
I asked permission to take a shower, and cleaned up, and when we said our goodbyes, she said to me; "I am leaving tomorrow to visit my family, I will call you when I come back, OK?"
I say yes of course is OK.
I can die now and be at peace with the universe after this experience, I don't think it can be duplicated or improved, but when and if she calls I am going to give her my best shot, I would die happy if I could die doing this again.
Aug 2009
Oct '17
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July 14, 2017
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September 4, 2017
This started out as a club review or possible comment. But when I finished, based on the length and the way it took shape I thought it was better suited as an article. There are shades of the "system" I use. But it's more of a field report. I hope you guys enjoy.

I was out last night, I had a couple of thoughts about what was going on in the club , and how thanks to the wisdom of this site, I managed to turn around what probably would have been a shitty high hustle night.

For some background, I'm a little more unusual for the monger crowd. I hit my first club right when I turned 18 and have gone 1-3xs a year since 18. I've been going to clubs on every rung of the career ladder. From starving college student, to bottom rung of the company, to I make enough to splurge at a strip club. The funny thing is that, because i've been on this site for so long, and starting clubbing when I had to scrounge $80 to go, it has made me much more savy and less prone to SS. And it's also resulted in me rarely spending more than $150.

Because I was off today. I decided to hit up a local strip club last night. I figure it's the Monday before a holiday, so there probably won't be a ton of customers, but there might be more dancers. My goal is always to find that sweet spot of when there are enough customers that the girls have to dance, but there are still more girls than customer. Obviously I'm going to miss out on the higher end girls, but I don't have John Smith money (I will in about 15 years). And i've also noticed that if there are 7-10 girls, after 30 minutes, my brain will make 1-2 of them hot enough to spend money on. If not, oh well I just leave.

So this next part is where my TUSCL and years of dealing with strippers came in handy. My budget for the night was $160, I left another $140 in the car, just in case. But with $160- that's enough for cover, drinking and stage tipping, with well over $120 for lap dances (Depending on the area). I don't like to carry more than that into a club for negotiation purposes. Strippers love to quote bullshit prices. But if they look and see you have some kind of money, and the options are coming down from that stupid high price she quoted you and nothing, they tend to come down, especially if they know you're not bullshitting. These is also part of why I like going at slow times. A stripper is far less likely to stick to that price point if she's been at work 5 hours and has $11 in stage tips and sold no dances. It just takes a little patience.

So when I got to my club at around 10. 8-10 girls on shift. Not a ton of customers. Just like I like it. But there are a few girls sitting with customers and a few who are just off to themselves. I order my beer and chill.

30 minutes in and no girl is moving from her customer. Stage show is whatever, I'm still chilling. I get approached by this tight bodied white girl. Kind of girl who is usually right up my alley. Walks right up to me, good eye contact, rubs my shoulder. Talks for all of 3 minutes before trying to sell me on a dance. 18 year old RedSpartan would have emptied his wallet for her. Decade+ RedSpartan, not so much. She tries leading to me the dance room without quoting me a price....that's interesting tactic, and red flag #1. She then quotes me $45 a dance + $5 to the house....So, this isn't my first time at this club, and I've gotten 2 dances for $55 at this club before. So then I inquire as to discounts for bulk dances. She says she'll do 2 for $75 with $10 to the house, and how that's a great value....yeah I'll pass. I was cordial. But politely declined and told her I was just getting warmed up, but we'd see. I figure, best to be cordial because when she's made no money, and can't make tipout that price was going to come right the hell down.

I was approached by 2 more girls shortly after. The first was a Hispanic girl who's English wasn't all that good, or was just faking it. Walks up to me and asks private dance. I'm already annoyed because she just led into it. But I'm more annoyed because she sat with some dude behind the bar for like 90 minutes who didn't buy any dances. As far as I could tell, he wasn't buying her drinks or paying her for her time (which isn't a thing in my city). As a general rule, I'm not ever going to get a dance from a girl who just hits me with the wanna dance hustle. That rule applies double when she appears to be at the club with a regular, whale, someone they seem to just enjoy being around. I figure the dance is going to be 1/2 assed. I could be wrong, but this has worked for me. But anyway she makes no mention of price and gets visibly upset when I turn her down. She then goes back to the guy she was with who continued to not pay her any money.

Another unattractive girl comes up to me, and again immediately tries to push a dance on me. All the girls here seem to think that selling me on the dance before telling me the price is a good strategy. I'll never understand why any of them do this. If I say yes and can't afford it she still can't get paid. She quotes me $30 a song t $5 to the house. Not terrible, but she's not that attractive, and it's still a little early. She knows whats up, promises me things, and asks what the budget is, and that she'd work with me. The rookie move here is to tell her exactly how much I have and then let her tell me she'd do whatever I wanted for that price. I simply said more than she thought, and said we'd talk after I saw her on stage. She then told me she doesn't go on stage.

I ended up stage tipping $15 between 3 girls. Not because I wanted to. But i had been there an hour and not spent any money besides my beer. So I needed to show this women I had money. I always keep a roll of about $30-40 in ones in my front pocket. I'll pull it out visibly and pull $5 out of it and walk to pervert's row. And tip $5 during 1 song, then retreat back to my seat. I'm not gonna burn money on worthless stage tips. I tip girls I'm interested in, ones who've been nice, but that I have no interest in getting a dance from, and anyone putting on extra effort.

1 got out tipped for 1 of the girls and lost her to that table for an hour+. That table wasn't spending money on her but she sat there. So I wrote that off as a loss, rather than wait her out to only get a 1/2 ass dance. Another Hispanic girl I tipped said thank you and sat at the bar. I'm still vehemently against ever chasing a stripper because it makes them think they can control you. But I had to get another beer and choose to order next to her. She engages me. Goes in for the dance hustle at about the 3 minute mark...i'm about to roll my eyes and walk off. She quotes her 1st price $35 for 1 song. LOL no. Sensing I'm losing interest she cuts it down to 2 songs for $50 and another $10 to the house. I figure that's probably the best value I'm gonna get, so I go for it. Keep in mind, the first dance I got quoted was 1 for $55 dollars. Dance was great, good 2 way contact, and I still had tons of money left over, due to patience and not being afraid to walk away. (in the back of my head I was also thinking, I could just go to a different club and spend what the first girl offered me and get more dances at a different club).

I come back out happy and satisfied. But not ready to go yet. So I'm still chilling. I notice a bunch of girls on the floor just dry humping dudes for free and paying all kinds of attention to them for no cost. Those same girls all walked up to me and hit me with the wanna dance hustle. Yeah...no. I'm not sure what those other guys have that I don't. I don't care. But if a stripper isn't willing to put that kind of effort to get me to spend on her, I hold on to my dollars.

I'm about to call it a night. But a girl I tipped earlier who had been nice to me sits down. I wasn't super interested but she sat for like 15 minutes. Did a set on stage and went to the dressing room. While she was in the dressing room, they announced a dance special. They didn't name a single price or what it was. So I guess it allows the dancers to set their own bullshit prices. My girl came back from the dressing room. She had been running that new girl hustle on me. So I decided to push it. I got her to offer me 2 dances for $30 + room fee. She could have been new, but her conduct in the room indicates to me that he wasn't. When we're at the end of the 2nd dance, i get her to agree to a 3rd dance for $20. Dance was good. Lots of two way contact through all 3. It was a topless dance and she ended up completely naked. So I got 3 dances for $50. Remember the first dance I got offered was 1 for $45. After that I called it a night.

This ended up being longer than I thought it was going to be. I'm sure someone can turn this into a system post. But last night felt like a win. I spent under $160 and got 5 lap dances in a place where the dancers set their own prices. I can honestly say that my trip wouldn't have been possible without TUSCL and being able to know what the dance price are. And how to handle stripper shit and spotting ROBs and Whales.

Thanks TUSCL!!
Sep 2013
Oct '17
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July 5, 2017
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September 4, 2017
For those interested in SeekingArrangment, here are my experiences.

I have been lucky enough to find some sex forums with decent sized populations of experienced or wanna-be sugar-daddies, to help fill out and/or confirm some of the perspectives. I joined SA thinking my goal would be to score a classic sugarbaby...

**Executive Summary**: Since this is tuscl, and most of you are executives, I'll start with an executive summary: I've had mixed experiences on SA overall -- for those wondering: yes, for me, OTC is resoundingly still the best experience in the sex industry. But if strip clubs disappeared tomorrow, I'd move onto SA wholesale, no doubt. For all I know, I'm just one awesome SB away from changing my mind completely ... but so far, I have NOT scored a classic SB, mostly because I just couldn't find anyone the interested me enough to engage at this level; I'm also not interested in escort-like interactions, but have indulged in some fun OTC-like meetings that are available on SA. If this entire report is TL;DR, I'd suggest you read just one thing, #5 in the Insights section, at the very bottom of this article.

**The Girls**: I think of the girls of SA in 3 groups, although these groups significantly overlap, and one girl can be in multiple groups at the very same time

Group 1: "Classic" Sugarbabies: they're looking for a sugardaddy/sugarbaby relationship, at levels of support ranging mostly from $1500/month but mostly higher. Sugarbaby tends to imply a bit more engagement in each others' lives: experienced sugardaddies consistently talk about how they're in contact with their SBs over text and phone, help them through life crises, give them business advice, take them on vacations, and overall just how big a part of their lives the SBs are. Some of these girls are very high quality women: white collar women who just need extra help, women on a success track at local universities, smart, interesting, reliable women. Of course, you will also find all kinds of other women: strippers, escort types, flakey hot chicks, etc., all also looking for a sugardaddy.

Group 2: Escort, escort-adjacent, and OTC-like girls: These range from outright escorts who are using SA as an extension of their business, to "sugarbaby light" girls who are okay with per-meeting payment (rather than monthly allowance) but who want to limit interactions to sexual dalliances, to girls whose model is very much like OTC with a stripper, where they're perfectly happy eating and drinking and partying with you for hours before or after the sex. In other words: whatever you're feeling like, you can probably find it on SA

Group 3: Strippers and ex-strippers. There's so many strippers on SA that it's worth calling them out separately. Obviously, they all fit into one or both of the groups above... although sometimes, they'll suggest that for your first meeting, that you meet them at their stripclub. I'll have more comments on them below.

**Pricing**: As part of their profile, the girls all set an "expectation", that ranges from Minimal (less than $1000/month, VERY few of them) and goes up in grades all the way to High (greater than $10,000/month). Don't get too intimidated by that, I've routinely talked girls in the Practical, Moderate, and Substantial (up to $10,000/month) down to OTC-level pricing, $300-$450 per meeting. Most girls will agree to per-meeting payment for the first few times you meet, even the classic sugarbabies who will eventually demand to move to monthly allowance.

In my discussions with very many experienced sugardaddies, most of the ones with multiple successful sugarbaby arrangements are paying in the range of $3500-$5000 per month, if you count allowance *plus* all the other money spent on the sugarbaby (gifts, hotel rooms, travel, food & drink, etc). Here and there I've heard of less, but that $3000+ range seems to be the magic number.

****** What you're here for: Insights and Experiences ********
1. The $3500/month sugardaddies are having a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE than what I"ll describe below ... those of us looking to spend closer to $1500/month, all pretty uniformly (with only rare exceptions) agree with my experiences up and down the line. But the $3500+ club is having a much more fun time of things, and virtually nothing I say below applies to them.

2. Flakiness rules. If you think strippers are flakey, SA brings that to a whole 'nother level. Be ready to deal with a lot of flakiness, although the one mercy is that much of the flakiness happens in the email negotiation leading to the date, which means you've only wasted your online time writing emails. That said, there ARE reliable, civilian women on SA, who are far more reliable than this overall experience, you'll just go through an insane amount of flakiness to find them.

3. No one looks like their pics. Unlike strip clubs, but JUST LIKE escorts, Tinder, Match.com: no one looks like their pics, they've all chosen their very best amazing pics from 5 years ago, took pictures from strategic angles, etc. Just like when meeting an escort or a girl from Tinder for the first time, just expect her to be thicker and less pretty than she looked in that pic, sometimes shockingly so.

4. The girls are annoyed with you. Well, maybe not you personally, but with the men on the site. And not without reason, they've been treated pretty disrespectfully in emails, and so it will pay you back huge dividends if you take a little time learning to write profiles and emails that come across both respectful and confident. This, by the way, may be at least partially responsible for the flake rate, the girls might be reading deeply into everything you write, and bolting at any little thing that bugs them.

5. There are a LOT of strippers and ex-strippers on SA. One of the things I learned: I have an amazing radar for strippers. So far I'm 100% on figuring out when I guess a girl I'm at a meetup with is a stripper or ex-stripper. Going further, nearly all of the best looking women I met on SA are strippers or ex-strippers, and if I further narrow that down to "maximum sum of looks plus fun personality": 100% strippers and ex-strippers. That also led me to another insight: Subraman, I says, if so many hot SA women are strippers, perhaps many active working strippers are on SA. So in the strip club, I've been doing a little experiment: during the conversation, I organically work into the conversation that "I haven't been to the club that often recently because I'm on SA... I really want a sugarbaby to take care of." This has been an unadulterated hit for me. More than half the strippers I've said this to, whipped out their phone and showed me their SA profile, and then we had fun swapping crazy SA stories. 100% of the strippers gave me an "awwwww!" and became VERY interested. In fact, unlike some of you guys, I almost NEVER get propositioned for OTC, I always have to ask and pursue the stripper.... except now, I'm getting strippers hinting or asking outright, "we should meet up, I wanna be a sugarbaby", etc. All in all, at worst it leads to fun conversation, at best it gets the strippers asking ME for OTC (I realize tuscl PLs are seasoned enough not to care much about this, we're all used to asking for OTC, but it IS a little bit of a kick to be the one asked instead of doing the asking). One of my buddies has been so impressed with this that he's planning to set himself up a dummy profile on SA, just to be able to flash it...lol


*** In summary: I've enjoyed the experience and am still indulging, but it has not remotely shaken my preference for strippers, ITC and OTC. And perhaps that's really where I am mentally and emotionally right now: perhaps I am not really ready or interested in having a SB be so much of my life, the way things work with those more experienced high-$$$ sugardaddies I mentioned, much less being interested in laying out that kind of cash. OTC with strippers may just scratch my itch. I'm still looking for a more classic sugarbaby arrangement on SA, but am no closer than when I joined nearly a year ago, and tend to be pulling the trigger on SA meetups when it's more OTCish.