Am I cheap or is everyone else nuts?

Tuesday, July 7, 2015 10:54 AM

I see a lot of posts and reviews here referring to the money spent for VIP, bottle service, and 'extras'. While I understand that everyone has their personal preferences and obviously what you decide to do with your money is your business, but I know if I leave a Strip Club $200 or more light and didn't have FS....good FS...with at least 1 dancer, I feel kind of stupid. I see reviews mentioning "I spend $500 and left satisfied" or similar and I'm wondering who these guys are? I get the 'baller' thing where you go in with your buddies and blow lots of dough and 'make it rain' and all that stuff, but the reviews I'm reading don't read like a rap star taking his posse out for a post BET awards show SC visit in Atlanta. Oh, don't get me wrong...I've spent more...way more...than $200 in a club, but in almost every one of those instances I got a dozen or so laps from nearly as many dancers. I'm fine with that and sometimes I just like to get my grind on, but if I wanted to arrange 'extra' services and was planning on spending $200+ dollars, I'd go to an escort/hooker outside a club and have a sure thing good time. And you can't count OTC action as doing that because 99% of the time an OTC hookup is not made until AFTER ITC action and in general a decent amount of cash has been dropped. I count it all as one transaction in which case we are probably talking $500+ again. Paying $100 bucks for 'VIP' seating....being forced to buy $100 bottle of $10 grocery store booze and having to buy a greedy stripper overpriced drinks on top of that JUST to also pay $150-$200 to get some uncomfortable rushed FS crammed into a VIP room with a bunch of other guys is not a good use of my hard earned (and stashed away) strip club slush funds. I go out with one of 2 mentalities....I leave knowing I want to get FS or BJ, in which i'll go pro outside the strip club or I go for lapdances in which I go to a club, spend $15 to $25 a song (depending on the club...topless vs nude...amount of grindage I expect), and if a good grind makes me mess my shorts I'll give an ok tip for a job well done. I'm not sure if it's because some guys have the "I don't use hookers/escorts" and don't realize that getting FS from a stripper in the club is EXACTLY the same thing, or if it's a caught up in the moment thing where a $20 dance turns into a $100 VIP turns into a $200 FS visit....I get that scenario (and have been in it by mistake....'Bad little brain...Bad!'), but from the writings of some of the posts, it appears the $500 SC visit was a planned and repeated activity. Normally if I spend $150-$200 in a club I get to the point where I feel like I should have gone the other route...and then normally schedule that activity for the NEXT night. Explain the logic please. SMEGMA!!

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Since you are so interested I can try to explain it. I gave up on escorts ten years ago as the experience was rarely as advertised and sometimes much worse. Dancers are a mixed bag too but generally a lot more consistent and reliable (sort of). As far as the money I am with you on that. I club in the Detroit metro area and $200 gets it done more often than not. That would include valet and door entry. Occasionally I take , and spend, $3-400 and that gets me more dancers around me and a longer just hangin' time. It is till $200 or less for the main event. Of course I am not going to dives so I am not sharing my experience with "a room full of guys" To each his own I suppose and a lot of this depends on the size of your wallet. I like looking the room over instead of a computer screen and I always know I am going back with the girl I saw. Hope this helps.

bvino

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9 years ago

I agree with not buying "bottle service" To be honest, I'm not even sure what it all means, but I see it on the menu at some high end clubs and seems like a helluva lotta money to spend thats not going to the girl.

motorhead

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9 years ago

I was exclusively using the services of escorts for about 10 years. I found that the sex became mechanical and predictable. I then "discovered" strip clubs and the availability of extras. The advantage: a. I could see and meet the woman prior to her showing up in my hotel room. B. Repeat visits led to new and adventurous encounters (i.e. Threesomes, new sex practices, trying new positions, etc.) c. My sex partner could get to know me and what turns me on. D. Security was not an issue as it had been with escorts & hookers. The downside is that I enjoyed it so fucking much that I spent far more than I should have. My ATF now expects me to support her in a style which I really can't afford.

gawker

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9 years ago

You won't find too many PLs on this board that do the bottle service thing AFAIK. Some dudes go to SCs for more than the girls – for them it's sorta an experience and they want, or feel, they gotta go large – either to sorta pamper themselves or to get attention as the big man on campus/the-club. IMO the bottle service for some is b/c they indeed want to buy a bottle; but for many it seems as a status symbol of sorts similar to making it rain on stage – sorta hey look at me I'm balling; I's got dough. SCing is not necessarily an apples-to-apples comparison – there are variables to take into account such as location (city); quality of clubs; quality of girls; custy competition; etc.; e.g. you may be able to get a decent $50 hotel room in Omaha but trying getting that in New York City. There are clubs that are very popular and have very good looking dancers – these clubs are often frequented by dudes w/ deep pockets whom for them dropping $500 is like an avg guy dropping $5 – in this type of club one will often not be able to get a good dancer for a mere $200 – the dancers know there are bigger fish to fry in that type of a SC and they will often hold out for those bigger fish. Certainly there are guys that overpay for FS in SCs b/c these guys are not in the know and are often not regular SC goers – it's similar to tourists being taken in an unfamiliar location. IME in most clubs one has to pay for a room to get FS and that room IME is on the avg of $100 per 30 mins with the dancer wanting a min of $200 for FS and depending on the club it cat be a floor of $300 for dancers in the top 25% of looks in the club – so that kinda puts you at around $400 (plus having to tip the bouncer and waitress). So as I mentioned – in certain locations one can get in and out for $200; but in most major cities and at popular upscale clubs; taking into account the room fee I would say one is looking at $300 min for FS in the club and more like $400– IMO.

Papi_Chulo

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9 years ago

I have never used an escort and doubt that I ever will for the same reasons that gawker stated. You have to understand that the disposable income available to everyone is quite different. $500 to some is a drop in the bucket while $200 for some may take a month of saving to accumulate. I don't do a lot of OTC but when I do it has always cost me less than calling an escort because I am doing it with a stripper that I have history with that trusts me.

shadowcat

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9 years ago

w.r.t ITC FS vs escorts w/ escorts – it's just show up – bang the chick – and leave – which there is nothing wrong w/ that if that is what floats one's boat. In a SC; you have the ambiance – cool lighting; drinks; good sound system/music; a ton of attractive nude women around; etc – so you can get your motor revved w/ the sexually overcharged ambiance or by getting a few good lappers and then go right to FS after having built up your libido in the club for a while. I agree that FS in a club where one has to pay a room fee and be in a cramped space and having a time limit; is not ideal nor cost-effective – but ITC FS does have other things w/ it like I mentioned above.

Papi_Chulo

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9 years ago

What shadowcat said. For me, seeing escorts has been a crap shoot. Even restricting myself to well reviewed ones has been less than completely fantastic. In some cases, that's simply chemistry, or the lack thereof. I'm who I am, so that's understandable. In some cases, it's a case of "inflated" reviews. Based on conversations with others, I'm convinced that far more trading of good reviews for service is happening that most people realize. But most of them seem to be because my experiences with strippers have raised my expectations. I *know* what she's going to look like, unlike and escort. I *know* what her personality is like, unlike an escort. Having tested the waters ITC, I *know* how she's likely to perform OTC, unlike an escort. I *know* whether or not her pussy or breath stinks, unlike an escort. I *know* she'll take it in her mouth if I need some help at the end. And despite what some claim from time to time, I don't see the cost as significantly higher than an escort. For me personally, I personally think it averages out to about the same, over time, because the strippers I see charge less than the top shelf escorts in town. Your mileage may vary, but for me, strippers are the way to go for most of my sex. I've dabbled in escorts and body rub/massage from time to time, and still do occasionally, but I always come back to strippers.

georgmicrodong

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9 years ago

Strippers - you can't live with them - you can't live without them

Papi_Chulo

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9 years ago

Smemga: You are not cheap -- I would say you are normal. I do not get spending money on bottle service. I do not get spending $500 in one night (then again, I do not tend to frequent NYC or LV clubs). I do not spend over $200 or $250 in PHX, LAX or any other large metro areas I have SC for so long that, generally, I need extras or at the very least ultra HM. For that reason, in certain towns, excorts are the better option. In other areas (DET, STL), I can get what I need in SC. It is all about me. By never clubbing in a group, I am not remotely concerned with making it rain or any other such foolish activity designed to impress other patrons.

pensionking

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9 years ago

"Explain the logic please." It's about fun, not logic, and different people have different ideas of fun. Still, I can tell you my thinking: In general, my favorite way to SC is with buddies, buying shots like crazy and getting drunk with the strippers... rarely extras in the club, I prefer to use these trips to start meeting strippers I'd like OTCs with later. Bottle service: I go on slow dayshifts, and there are sometimes bottle service specials as low as $250 or even $200. I think we figured out, based on the how expensive shots are, and how many we buy, that by the time the bottle is $250, we've already passed break-even ... especially considering bottle services comes with bottomless carafes of coke/soda-water, which usually cost as much as low-end shots and we all drink a ton of to stay hydrated. That's the only time I buy bottleservice, when it's in my economic interest. I don't ever do the super expensive nighttime bottle service, but I personally think busy nightshifts and sellers' markets are for suckers anyway -- there's no such thing as having to buy a table on slow dayshifts, having to buy a table is a non-issue. I probably average $300 per trip, for two VIPs, drinks and food. Usually I don't pursue extras for that, but I've had a FUCKING AWESOME time with my buddies, and an awesome time with my drunk CF... and hopefully set up an OTC for later in the week

Subraman

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9 years ago

“... It's about fun, not logic ...” Pretty much it in a nutshell. e.g. it's more “logical” to cook at home and save a lot of $$$ including tipping – but this does not mean that one should not eat it out if they enjoy it.

Papi_Chulo

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9 years ago

I can only speak for myself,, The key word is RETIRED,,,I have money and time.... I'm not a Baller or Hip Hopper.. just a 61 year old retired Freight Train Engineer, with a hefty pension... I also receive income, from Twenty Five years of investing, in Atlanta Real Estate....Divorce for 25 years, this August... I've never done escorts, or streetwalkers, no bottle service,,never made it rain,, Bottle water is my drink preference..I only like doing, ITC....Some months , I'll get up to 2K spending,,or 25% of my monthy income..It doesn't matter ( Cheetah Atlanta , Follies, )... Very seldom a dancer that knows me turn down my request,,, I don't compete with ballers, or hip hopper, Therefore i frequent my clubs early afternoon,, I keep to myself and stay in my Lane.....

eyeamlong

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9 years ago

Hey smegma did you ever stop to think you're putting not only the woman's job but her freedom in jeopardy with you FS requests so maybe that's why you shouldn't be such a cheap bastard? Of course you didn't

Diva1975

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9 years ago

Yeah. Not much "logic" in it. Most of us do it because we enjoy it immensely. I Personally, I get tired or bored with the same woman over and over again. Clubbing allows that "get away" once in a while to get rid of that boredom. Some of us even consider it a hobby to go clubbing.

warhawks

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9 years ago

From one nut to a cheapskate: Why do you even give a shit ? If your routine floats your boat, why do you care what others do? As an analogy- if buying a Honda Civic every 10-12 years makes you content, why get your panties in a bunch over guys who buy cars costing 3-10 times more every 3 years ?

minnow

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9 years ago

Some guys go to a club to party, others (just about everyone on this board) go there for the girls (and/or) some form of sexual contact. Not everybody can get to Vegas, Atlantic City, Miami, Dallas, etc. so they have to party like a big timer in a strip club outside their local city. Anything spent in a strip club outside of Vegas is pale in comparison from what I have seen inside a regular club in Vegas. I've been at a table where the tab was $4,700 one night. That bought 4 bottles of vodka (Belvedere), 2 bottles of Clicquot Champagne, 3 shots of Bulleit bourbon a handful of bottled water, a few Red Bulls and the gratuity. I paid a fraction of that tab as I was with some high rollers that night! lol As for buying bottles at strip clubs, I tell you one thing, no matter if you look like George Clooney or Jack Black, either way, the girls will circle around you like a shark, and some guys buy bottles for that reason.

shailynn

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9 years ago

^^^What minnow said. Money is one of the most discussed topics here on tuscl. I like money. I like making money. I like talking about making money. Even here on tuscl I have learned a couple of tricks about how I can make more money. However, most of the money talk on tuscl is about spending that money on our hobby. This is very boring.

farmerart

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9 years ago

minnow +1 I partake of both strippers & escorts, and I also blow thru money like it's going out of style. Shit - you can't take it with you, so you might as well enjoy it. I don't care what others do or spend, just as they shouldn't care about my spending habits. No judging. To each their own.

lopaw

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9 years ago

A lot of it is because there are basically two kinds of people. One kind, when in public, wants other people to be impressed with or jealous of them. Another kind just wants other people to respect them. Flashing spending and clothes may help to get dancers to come around to you faster. But I think it also attracts the type who prefer the custies who tip them well just for sitting and talking. Don't know what I'm doing wrong, but it always takes me months to find somebody I get good regular P4P with. But I've had far far better luck with escorts than dancers.

ilbbaicnl

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9 years ago

To me, what is the most interesting thing about this site (other than useful and entertaining intelligence on clubs I have never been to) is discovering that there are so many different ways to enjoy this hobby. It is amusing and enlightening to benchmark my own proclivities next to those of others. I may rethink my efforts (or I may not). Either way, I look forward to the discourse.

pensionking

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9 years ago

In my experience on the east coast (NJ, Philly, DC), I have found that you get the best bang for your buck with the independent escorts. Stay away from the ones that work for large escort agencies and make sure that you remain on time. From time to time, you may meet an independent stripper and you both may get it on. For one thing, FS is a sure thing; unlike the stripclub environment where it is a moving target. I have had dinner dates and overnight stays with independent escorts without paying extras. The chemistry may just be there. Become a member of TER and read reviews. Not all reviews are off target. I think that going to the stripclub with the ultimate goal for OTC is the way to go. I know that you first have to show the girl that you are not LE, and have some money in the club. This may involve having FS in the club to break the ice. FS in the club is always a rushed and messy affair. Condoms are limited, cleaning towels are solutions are limited. Some strippers prefer to only have FS in the club. I tend to avoid these ones. I prefer to work with those strippers that have FS in the club, but are opened to OTC. FS in the club is a major waste of money if the goal is not towards OTC. My own two cents.

ujay

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9 years ago

Smegma, I think it's fair to say that most anyone who has been kicking around this hobby as long as many of the dogs on this board are well aware of their other p4p options. Many, including myself, have indulged in a variety of them. You're not exactly sharing any revelations here. ;) From a pure economic standpoint you are 100% right that dialing up an escort is cheaper than fucking around with strippers in most places. But I, like others, long ago soured on using escorts as I found my experiences with them to be boring. Now in the old days I sometimes used them as a backup if I struck out at the clubs, but I won't even do that anymore after a close brush with a real problem when I dialed one up some years back. There are a lot of risks involved with meeting strange girls for p4p, including LE stings, con games, false advertising about the girl, etc. It may be tougher and more expensive to land some strippers, but the exposures to that other crap are mostly non-existent.

rickdugan

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9 years ago

Oh, and I haven't bought a bottle in a club in over 15 years and I take girls out of clubs fairly frequently.

rickdugan

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9 years ago

I've *never* bought a bottle. What a ridiculous waste b

georgmicrodong

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9 years ago

There are guys who buy bottle service at vegas dance clubs too. And I bet a lot of guys on this board own rolexes or drove luxury cars. There's a million ways to "waste" money.

JamesSD

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9 years ago

@JamesSD: When I think of all the money I've spent on strippers, escorts and massages, all I can say is, thanks to all the gods that I didn't *waste* any of it.

georgmicrodong

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9 years ago

I am a Cheap A after many years of strip clubbing. An x stripper I have been seeing a few years (was stripper when I first seeing her) gives me otc sex for 100.. When I would do strippers itc or otc never paid more than 200. I am vip at Houston club, go in for free buffet after getting free vip admission. Have 2 drinks that is it. If a gal is really hot perhaps 2 dances at 20 each. Remember the money you give strippers you will never see that again. Their goal is to drain your last nickel. Do not pay ever for services not rendered or give advances. Walk away, run if you have to if they ask you for advances and crap. Strippers are dangerous, your brain is under the influence of alcohol, sex hormones, and there are 4 no good reasons to do them: Financial Ruin, risk of std's, risk of getting them pg, and unfavorable impact on marriage you may regret later on. Budget the number of sessions / spending a month that is acceptable and not something that will amount to some really huge number over a period of time, causing you anxiety and depression over what if (you had not spent so much). Strippers (and other whores) have the potential to really ruin you life or perhaps be a vessel of joy that you partake of wisely like sipping a fine whiskey. Just don't drink the whole bottle in one whack.

Player11

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9 years ago

If the spending is starting to sort of get to you or you feel warning bells / reg flags take a time out, have a good beer and really think about is it worth spending what your spending, especially over the long run with the uncertain world we live in. What if your career craps out sooner than expected? Don't get into some mode of doing them as a punch list thing or caving into their calls. Do you really need that 200 fuck every week or perhaps better once or twice a month and invest the money. Every GD one of them I have done once the sex was over they were out of that room faster than I could get dressed once they got their money. Sugar Babies are worse - they want x dollars a month. Avoid them, they will drain your money with their BS and in most instances way over priced vs strippers as many don't even hold a candle to an average stripper hence why they are on sugar dating sites. Be the best Cheap A you can be. Think of what your spending on them will buy and if it is really worth it.

Player11

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9 years ago

Wow...thanks for the feedback....I didn't realize this would spark such a response. Glad to see I'm not completely out of left field thinking bottle service and all the VIP 'show' stuff is dumb and a waste of money, but as I said at the beginning, I'm not saying how anyone should spend their money, just wanted some insight to know if I was the oddball or not....and for the record Diva1975...I was not commenting on what a stripper's freedom or safety is worth, and was not really talking about risk vs reward. ITC obviously has risks for both parties and also obviously I could ask if you thought some stripper's 'sex' is worth $1,000 vs another's is only worth $200....it's what the market will bear...we want the cheapest price (or I do at least) and you want the most money...that's the game. It's up to the dancer/patron to decide what the risk vs reward is. Honestly I don't normally go to the club for FS because it's too expensive....that was the point. SMEGMA!!

Smegma Jones

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9 years ago

I never bought a bottle. Maybe if I suddenly became a multi millionaire and had money to burn. Then almost everything would be like pocket change. Some people don't visit strip clubs every week and some people make over 100k or over 200k and like to buy things they like. I'm not in that income group. Some people may tip girls a 5 or 20 but only visit strip once or twice every few months and only tip a few girls and think I'm cheap when they see me only tip a dollar or two. What they don't see is me tipping up to 40 to 60 in tips in a single night every single week if I want to. They can judge my one dollar tip as cheap but they would be wrong. They might wonder why the hot dancer ignored them and went and asked me for dances. Appearances can be deceiving. I remember I once asked my parents about one guy who dressed like a bum I thought when I was a teenager. I was told he was a millionaire and owned his own clothing chain. He just didn't want to attract attention so he dressed down.

sharkhunter

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9 years ago

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